Here is a guy (Straittalk) who has a copy of Bears' Guide. He is saying positive things about Adam Smith University and quoting John Bear's positive statements in the guide. The gang is attacking Straittalk, Bear takes offense concerning the accurate quotations from his book, so he rips into Straittalk. It's a course of events we have seen many times. The gang bashes and Bear helps to knife one of his paying customers.

Straittalk has just said that he has seen nothing in the guide negative about ASU.

"Ok, Here's some. Adam Smith is run from a convenience address in Hawaii, by its owner who lives in New York. Formerly it used a mail service in Louisiana, until Louisiana laws toughened in 1994. Accreditation has been claimed from the dreadful World Association of Universities and Colleges, as well as several other unrecognized agencies. From my understanding of the new and tougher school law, I do not see how Adam Smith can be operating legally there, because of the requirement of having 25 full-time resident students in Hawaii. To the best of my knowledge, neither the credits nor the degrees of Adam Smith have ever been accepted by any University with proper (GAAP) accreditation. This is not new information; it is what I have believed and written for quite a few years."
--John Bear--AED--Feb. 2000

So John Says he knew about the:
Convenience Address
Mail Service in Louisiana
False Claims to Accreditation
Says he doesn't think it is legal
Little or no acceptance of its degrees?

Most pointedly he says he knew and wrote about it for "Quite" a few years.

Ok, then why did he list it as one of the good schools in America?
College Degrees by Mail-100 Good Schools that offer Bachelor's, Master's, Doctorates and Law Degrees by Home Study
By John Bear, Ph.D. -1995-page 58

Now this guy buys the Bear Guide, reads it, then quotes it and John Bear has a hissy fit. Why? one might ask. How is it so terrible to accurately quote an author, believe that the author was telling the truth, had great experience and knowledge, and would certainly be the kind of man who would stand by his statements.

Well, Straittalk, I guess you were wrong.

You cannot quote a man who does not believe in what he says or even bothers to be sure he is accurate. John was just selling the guide, he didn't know nor care if it was accurate. What Bear wrote in the guides and said at AED are not the same, not even close. One can only wonder how a man can look you in the eye and say, I DON'T BELIVE WHAT I wrote and you were wrong to quote me. It's all your fault.

Once again John blames the buyer for what he SOLD.

Document # 497811

Three things impress me about Columbia Pacific in comparison with all other non-resident universities now operating at the undergraduate and graduate level.

1- The quality of the people involved. The President Richard Crews, is a psychiatrist with his M.D. from Harvard University. The co-founder and Dean, Les Carr. Ph.D., was for many years, President of a large traditional university in Illinois. No other school of its kind has officers with such impressive backrounds.

2- The facilities. Unlike many new schools that start out with small rented offices and no permanent foundation, CPU is built on the foundation of an existing and large entity, the Wholistic Health and Nutrition Institute, which has its own large building, a national clientele and reputation, and a good staff. This close interaction, between University and Institute, is reflected in CPU's emphasis in areas related to health sciences, nutrition, wholistic health, rehabilitation counseling, and the like. However, with an adjunct (part-time) faculty of more than 80 persons (nearly all with earned doctorates), degree work is available in dozens of fields, including business, psychology, aviation management, law enforcement, fire sciences, and economics.

3- The costs are quite low, CPU apparently feels that while it is not wrong to make a profit running a school, it need not be an exorbitant profit. The cost of degree programs has been set well under those offered by any of the other schools operating under California's $50,000 law (i.e. if you have that much in property, and meet other minimal requirements, you are authorized to grant degrees). The typical degree programs cost around $1,600 to $1,700.
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This document is titled "Information Prepared by Dr. John Bear Exclusively for his Counseling Clients." The document bears the number 497811 and is assumed to be an information document used by Bear early on in his educational consulting practice.
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John DeNevers, supplier of this document writes the following about 497811.  

"It was Prepared EXCLUSIVELY for the Clients of Degree Consulting Services." The date of personal consulting services with Dr. John Bear was January 22, 1980.

At the time the address was:
Dr. John Bear, Ph.D.
Drawer H
Littleriver, CA 95456

It's now:
Degree Consulting Services
P.O Box 3533
Santa Rosa, CA 95402

--John DeNevers--2001--By email--Located at CPU History  
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I think this should clear up any thoughts or ideas that John Bear was not recommending CPU to his paying clients. There was obviously a well thought out method to this consulting advice. Later statements that try to put distance between John Bear and CPU are misleading and incorrect. This information of what he (John DeNevers) was advised by John Bear is what many others have also reported. Document #497811 is the smoking gun.

"In 1982 (that's 21 years ago, folks), there was a short-lived version of Bears' Guide called 'How to Earn an American University Degree Without ever going to America.'

It was similar to the present Bears' Guide Books: 95% of the space devoted to schools with recognized accreditation, and about 5% devoted to unaccredited schools that were operating with proper licensing."
--John Bear--AED--May 6, 2003

John was arguing with a guy, as usual, and wanted to show how he had actually not shown but a handful of unaccredited schools in his guides, hence 5%.

WELL, actually the 2003 Bears' guide...15th Edition, had 137 pages of accredited and unaccredited schools listed.  Of those 88 pages were about accredited schools or 64%, and 49 pages were about unaccredited schools or 36%. Now I don't know about you, but there is a pretty big difference between 5% and 36%. In fact John hyped the unaccredited schools much more than he now claims, and, we all know it. It also shows how he will use phoney numbers to win a point. During his AED days the gang would always rush in and defend anything he said, right or wrong. I guess with that type of protection he never had to worry about the stories being true/accurate. Just say it and throw it out and let the gang attack the guy trying to say John had pushed unaccredited schools, and pushed them hard, which of course, he did. The past is what it is, not what we try to make it. A large portion of the guides were about unaccredited schools. He wanted to appeal to the widest possible market, and, that included many people interested in unaccredited schools. Now he may not want to remember but that's just too bad. Because we do remember, and it's our job to help him remember where much of the money from the guides came from. Hint: people who were interested in the state licensed schools.

Quote:Reply with quote
Post Quousque tandem abutere...patientiam nostram?
A "Laurea" is a bachelor's degree. "La Sapienza" is legit but undistinguished. There is no more reason to take these claims seriously than to have believed this Mattoniesque fig-chewer when he bullshat before. And, yes, HG is as usual right on the money. This is the same person who has shilled for the silly AUAP, Sore Buns, etc. We await the apocolocyntosis of Il Zuccone.

By the way, you stupid ass, don't you DARE presume to instruct in Latin on any forum where I am present in my unbridled magnificence, you lowly laureato, you grandson of Clodius, you offscouring of the Subura, you failed piscinarius, you italianate fuptitelmonger, you shill.

(To the normal on the board: the above paragraph is a case of when in Rome do as this moron does, or the Romans do. In nume de Traian and all that, guys.) Wink

"Bear surveyed personnel managers on which schools impressed them. "WE gave a list of 10 schools, five of them fake, and asked which ones they were likely to accept. Columbia State came out better than the accredited schools."
--Las Vegas Mercury--2004  

Bear's Survey? or Douglas' Survey?  

The Douglas dissertation was finished in 2003, just before this was published in the Las Vegas Mercury. The survey sounds just like the one Douglas did for his paper. Now here is the interesting thing. Did one of the committee members (John Bear) actually do part of the work? He says, "We gave a list", not he gave a list.  If Douglas is not part of the we, then who did Bear do a survey of Personnel Managers with?  Sounds to me as if one of the committee members (at Union-for Rich Douglas) went beyond his supposed unbiased position and actually participated in the doing of the paper itself.  That's a no-no.
  

Quote:London Institute for Applied Research England. All right, he did it (as he's been saying in his book for 20 years now). In 1972, while living in England, [b]John was involved in fund-raising for a legitimate school.[/b] He figured that since major universities were "selling" honorary degrees for millions, why not use this approach on a small scale? He and his associates created L.I.A.R. and ran ads in the U.S. reading "Phony honorary doctorates for sale, $25." Several hundred were sold, but it seemed to have upset half the world's educational establishment (the rest thought it was a good gag.) So L.I.A.R. was retired. Then an offer came from a Dutchman who lived in Ethiopia (you must believe us on this--who would make up such a story?) who wanted to trade 100 pounds of Ethiopian earpickers and Coptic crosses for the remaining L.I.A.R. certificates. Now he's selling them from Holland without the humorous disclaimer, and has added a bunch more fake school names. And if anyone would like some Ethiopian trinkets, have we got a deal for you! (Honestly!)

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I just wonder if we ever really sit back and think about what Bear is trying to say.  He tries to say that we were wrong to listen to his advice but he was right to give it. That he was right to be involved with Greenwich and CPU....and others, but we were wrong to get degrees from these schools. He wants to take credit for bashing CPU and for helping design and run the school. The man wants to be credited for being for and against the same thing.

To make it short and sweet, Bear wants to argue that yes and no are the same. Good luck    

He said unaccredited schools were good options and that the schools were real, and now?, he says that is wrong, but that he was not wrong.  ?????  I know--I know--bull shi*.  

He saying that Greenwich--CPU--Fairfax--LIAR-Millard Fillmore were all good ideas for good reasons, but that you and I are shills-liars-frauds for buying what he sold.  Nice idea that. The seller is good the buyers trash. But I seriously doubt most people (those capable of rational thought)  would see the seller as being far better than his customers. Bear is what the purchasers of his wares are.  If they are less or better because of his sales techniques and advice, then he is at the very same level, neither more nor less. If a man bought a Bear Guide and got a degree from Kennedy Western based on Bear's expert opinion that KWU was one of the best 100 schools in the US then Bear is sitting right there with the KWU graduate. He can't walk away and help Douglas and his pals laugh and sneer. He sold the idea to the people and now must accept his share of that story, and not run and hide behind the gang.

The unaccredited schools were decent choices then and NOW. The accredited schools were better then and now.  That is all Bear ever had to say to be truthful and accurate. Instead he wants to walk away completely from  his past and join the voices of the gang, ok, so be it. But we are right to remind people of who it was who spread the idea across the country in all those guides that he SOLD $$$$$$. Thousands of people have degrees from schools Bear promoted as useful and real. He said Summit was good and now makes a joke of it and the students who listened to him. If he wants to see a real old Joke, all he has to do is look into the mirror. He will see old Honest?? John, the used degree pitchman. He must be so proud to be one of the elite conmen of his times. He played both sides of the track and did retire well heeled, or so he says.  Ahhh yes, Money, the reason for so many things.

"He noted that when the defunct LaSalle University in Louisiana, which he called a "degree mill," was raided by the FBI in 1996, some graduates opted not to give up their degrees in return for their money back."
--John Bear--Inside Higher Education-July 7, 2005

Now that is certainly fine that John used his inside, very close, contacts with the FBI to get this information so early, but, you see there is a bit of a problem.

Then why did he put out his 1997 Edition of the guide and NOT say a SINGLE negative word about a school that had been raided by the FBI the year before. Check out the 1997 Bears' Guide--12th Edition--page 212. Not one single warning word to his readers. Oh well, I guess one can't expect speed from an old miller. I'm sure by 1998, ok, at least close to then, Bear had read a newspaper and seen something about it (LaSalle) having been caught.  

So much for our protection from mills by the BEAR.  A day late and a dollar short---again.

And here is a wonderful piece of advice on LaSalle.

"The new LaSalle seems to be run honestly and reasonably, so if one is absoulutely convinced an unaccredited degree will meet ones current and future needs, they are one of the MANY to CONSIDER. The accreditation for which they are applying is unrecognized, and is unlikely, in my opinion, to be of use to its graduates."
--John Bear--AED--1998

A school just raided by the FBI and Bears recommends the NEW LaSalle as a usable choice. Jeez, give me a break. The guy can't catch a cold and tries to sell himself to the public as the expert at milling. Well, maybe in creating them, but spotting them, maybe not.

I have been reading the post on this board for a few months now,as well as several other dl discussion boards. When I first came across your board I thought many of the post were petty and vindictave. As time has passed I have changed my mind about dltruth.

Degreediscussion.com and the crew there do little more than attack anyone who disagrees or questions their position. I have never posted there as they are some of the most arrogant fools I have ever come across. They have much bravado on an internet discussion board. Saying things that they would not dare say face to face. I have seen them attack in mass new posters to the board who question or have a different view than them.

Their board as of today date have 28,730 post and 615 members. If you take a moment to open the members list you will find that the board is controlled by a very few members. While this may be the case with most forums it is obvious that most members do not post there because of the crew.

Uncle Janko 2015 post? This guys a preacher? What church? I hate the world and everyone in it church? Instead of posting smart ass comments ad nauseam he should try living the example he is suppose to represent.

I actually read where the gay truck driver attacked someone because they had only posted 3 times on the board. As if this somehow made their thoughts and opinions less valid. Give me a break! Some people work and have families, something Levicoff will never know. But I guess he will have all those fond memories of his bathroom stall encounters with strangers in truck stops to comfort him in his old age.
(If an STD doesn't do him in first.)

Here is a suggestion to those seeking advise on higher education and success in life and business. Don't seek out the gay truck driver. He obviously couldn't cut it in the academic world. It is also obvious that he couldn't transfer his knowledge to the business world hence he drives a truck.

To any truck drivers reading this your profession is honorable and much needed. Just when someone claims to be a respected authority on education as Levicoff does wouldn't it make sense that they would actually work in that field. Yet he has never held a meaningful long term position in any of the fields he claims authoritative knowledge in. Read his so bio on Wikipedia. Work in religion and law? Pastoral Counseling? Education? Yes so well received and respected that he could not build a career in any of them.

Instead he drives around trying to make hookups at truck stops with other men. Yes, that is who I will seek advise from when it comes education. His early bio says it all; he was a high school dropout and no matter what he does he is still the same loser. Funny thing is he knows it,but hopes no one else sees through his B.S.

DLTRUTH keep fighting the fight.

KMA