Replacement for Gregg DesElms?

[Little Arminius]

Please refer to my comments posted in another thread to give this poll some context.

Quinn and Janko thread

[Ben Johnson]

Charlie Sheen?

[Don Dresden]

Janko, Douglas and Gollin are definitely assholes, but it should take more than just chronic assholism to merit appointment to the Hall of Shame.

Janko is a very small fish. No position of responsibility in education, no DL footprint other than a minor mention in one of Bear's books, no DL teaching or administration.

He also took and has followed a principled stand on the gay boy porn issue, by leaving and not returning to DI and actively encouraging others to do the same. Definite mitigation there.

Having washed out of a traditional PhD program, he probably could be a good source of anecdotal information for others. That he doesn't share that or much other useful information in his posts actually hurts his standing for admission because he continues to reinforce his own irrelevance.

If we could catch Janko with a hooker, admitting to being a fag or operating a gay boy porn business he'd be in already. He's definitely got the personality defects, but he lacks the gravitas for it to matter.

Douglas has the same problem. He's another small timer, Bear's caddy at best, and a Levicoff wannabe.
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Plus he actually has non-traditional learning and teaching experience. His opinions might be wrong, but they are based on some hands-on participation, not just sitting on the sidelines spouting off like Janko, Gollin, Huffman and most of the others. MIGS was a disaster, but at least he was there, foolishly jumping in with both (bare) feet. Mitigation points for sharing relevant experience and for entertainment value.

Like Janko, that great moral mishap that puts him over the top either hasn't been committed yet or hasn't been discovered.

Gollin is at the opposite end of the irrelevant spectrum. An academic, but without non-traditional or DL learning or teaching experience. No experience in non-traditional academic administration. He's an obnoxious shill for the wealthy higher education cartel, nothing more. His embarrassing family problems point out his hypocrisy, but not enough to outweigh his irrelevance.

Had the SRU thing blown up in his face that probably would have been enough to put him over the top. We still haven't seen what sort of sentence is involved there, so it may still be a factor. I'd say he has the best potential for admission to the hall, just because he seems the most likely to do something stupid enough in the future to merit it. Some day somebody he stalks is really going to hand him his lunch.

DesElms is still listed as a moderator at DI, so while he may be dormant at present he's still relevant. Plus the $40,000 hooker thing is just too funny not to be here. This is the classic moral mishap referred to above, and it was only enhanced when he tried to pass it off as "researching a book."

So my two cents worth is that we keep DesElms and continue to remain vigilant for evidence of sufficiently outrageous conduct on the part of the others. I'm sure they won't disappoint us.

[Dickie Billericay]

Eliminate Elmer and put Gus in twice!

[ham]

He also took and has followed a principled stand on the gay boy porn issue, by leaving and not returning to DI and actively encouraging others to do the same. Definite mitigation there.

hmm
yes, even Doublejew took a principled stand on the mass destruction weapons hoax...once it was proven a hoax, he blamed it upon unscrupulous and jaded CIA...

Please...
they rub everyone's nose into the minutest details of others' (supposed) misconduct, but with Thomas Chip White was immediately 'gentle men's agreement'...no need to repeat things ad nauseam in that instance.
Bear and other pundits came back to degreeinfo almost immediately, forget moral qualms and the knowledge some hot gay teen 'boy' is stuffing his exhaust on video to help pay for bandwidth...


I'll say it again...
I suppose Thomas Chip White (owner of degreeinfo ) holds many of them hostage with the sinister sound of skeletons rattling in a closet.
Thomas Chip White has an extensive network of 'virtual acquaintances' in the world of gay/queer porn and related enthusiasts...who knows who might be lurking behind inconspicuous online monikers there?

he lacks the gravitas for it to matter.

gravitas in latin means sibi congruere, that is being coherent and true to one's beliefs... uncle Janko is a very consistent keyboard sociopath.

[Albert Hidel]

uncle Janko is a very consistent keyboard sociopath.

That would be my opinion too. The guy seems like he's got a major chip (no pun intended) on his shoulder about something. Did his playmates use to pound the snot out of him when he was a kid? Was he shanghaied and forced to serve as a "cabin boy" on an English merchant ship? He, Gollum and Huffman seem to have no particular reason for existence other than stalking and attacking people from behind the safety of their keyboards.

[Ben Johnson]

Was he shanghaied and forced to serve as a "cabin boy" on an English merchant ship?

Didn't he volunteer?

One of many verses from an endless old military tune of a certain country:

The cabin, the cabin boy
The dirty little nipper
He lined his ass with broken glass
And circumcised the skipper

[Little Arminius]

I'm a bit suprised by the poll results. First off, fortunately no one favors giving Elmer's wing to Quinn Tyler Jackson. Quinn is a good guy and prominent alternative education advocate.

Secondly, I thought that Uncle J would have been close to a unanimous choice with Bomber Douglas maybe getting one vote. (he ended up tied with Charlie Sheen) There were some good reasons for not voting for Unc - a Gollin vote has its merits but there was an even more important point. It has been two years but I had forgotten the depth of animosity and visceral hatred that DesElms stirred in our members. I checked some of his old DI posts and yes, his wing in the Hall of Shame was legitimately earned and should remain open until we're sure that he will never return to DL in any capacity other than a bad memory. In terms of pure dickishness, Elmer was much worse than any other single individual at DI or DD, including Gus.

[Dickie Billericay]

The cabin, the cabin boy
The dirty little nipper
He lined his ass with broken glass
And circumcised the skipper

Similar to an old Sex Pistols song.
Tune and lyrics at YouTube

Since there was fuck all else to do, I tried my hand at it:

Friggin' in the Degreediscussion Riggin'

Bear was their inspiration
for stalking, degradation,
destroying lives of innocents
and merciless predation.

Gus was the moderator
A useless masturbator.
He won't pay his bills today
And he won't pay them later.

Another DD feature:
Janko was their preacher
That hypocrite is full of shit
A pitiable creature.

George Gollin spent his life
Trying to outdo his wife.
As degree mill cop he was flop
Another Barney Fife.

Huffman was a geezer
Who nearly had a seizure
When Derek Smart showed that old fart
And lived his life in leisure.

Doogle was a laddy
A squat bald Union graddy.
Prison guard ain't quite as hard
As playing John Bear's caddy.

[Neilist]

I'm a bit suprised by the poll results. First off, fortunately no one favors giving Elmer's wing to Quinn Tyler Jackson. Quinn is a good guy and prominent alternative education advocate.

Well, that's that for your "fortunately no one favors" comment.

Hoist Quinn Tyler Jackson up by his own putrid petard!? Hang the bastard!