Touro - The Real One

[Ben Johnson]

Breaking News:


Fake Degrees Alleged at NYC College?
Published: 7/16/07, 6:05 PM EDT
By SAMUEL MAULL

NEW YORK (AP) - Teachers, students and administrators tampered with a college's computer system to change grades and create fake degrees for money, prosecutors charged Monday.

The 10 defendants created or altered records for at least 50 people since January, charging fees of $3,000 to $25,000 for better or deleted grades and for bachelor's and master's degrees, District Attorney Robert Morgenthau said.

Those indicted include Touro College's former director of admissions, the former director of the school's computer center, three former Touro students and three public school teachers, Manhattan prosecutors said.

Records found at the home of one defendant, a former $68,000-a-year admissions director at Touro's Manhattan campus, showed he was running the scheme as early as 2003 and possibly earlier, Morgenthau said.

"We don't know how many hundreds, maybe thousands, were involved," the district attorney said.





At least accreditation means that your purchased degree is money well spent - you know - the gold standard.

[ham]

well, were i post-graduated ( brick & mortar accredited state university ) they used to be somewhat-to-very-lenient towards the many third world coloured students. The university was very rigorous, but THAT segment of the student body was run on questionable millish principles. If i struggled with a course, they would tell me that in the end it was MY problem.
If third worlders did, in a vast majority of cases their grades morphed into passing grades.
I remember a pakistani student who wasn't even able to speak being awarded passing grades in a postgraduate course.
The only selection taking place was "natural" selection, whenever those phoneys (typically on public money bursaries) would drop out on their own.
Otherwise ( fear of being called "racists" or whatever ), no teacher would dare to fail them.

[Randall Flagg]

Just because a person belongs to a country club doesn't mean he's worth a damn at golf and just because one has RA degrees doesn't mean one has become educated or has skills. Regionally Acccredited schools range from the worst (very fast and easy) to the best (long and hard), and everywhere in between. RA is all that matters? hardly. Then what does matter? That at the end of the process you have traveled beyond where you were. That you are better off in many ways. That you can look into the mirror and honestly know you have done something of value. Now that value will vary from person to person and school to school, but there must be a change for the better.

RA, NA, State Approved--it hardly matters really. All that matters is that you got where you wanted to be in the manner you wished to travel.  If you wanted more than you did you will never be happy and if you did what you were happy with you have found the right place. Some people do great things with little formal education or with degrees from the most modest of schools, and some, well, some do little with the best education money can buy. Hard work, real interest and intensity are the answers, not RA or State Approved. A loser will lose no matter what. He will always be a day late or a dollar short. He loses because he is good at it, not because of where a degree comes from or what others think of a certain school, and winners, they make do with what they have and if failure pops up they move on and do something else until they win, it's why they are winners. It's the effort that gets them there, not the color of the shirt or tie, or the name on the paper.

That's why Bill Gates and Sam Walton got v-e-r-y rich. They found something they wanted to do and to their delight were very good at it. Blue Mountain College, Harvard, Pacific Western it would have made no difference to either Gates or Walton. It doesn't matter how you learn to do valuable things only that you learn them and then actually get up out of the chair and DO them.

And what were the worst things these students mentioned by ham learned? That someone will always be there to help you, to cut you some slack, and they will always be willing to look the other way. It just ain't so. At some point you have to make it on your own and these teachers letting students slide by only taught them to like sliding, not how to work for success. So many students go to Harvard or Yale and then walk out into the real world and find they actually have to do something and that success isn't handed to them, unless the old man owns the company and then the schools didn't matter anyway. For most of us we have to earn what we get or we do without. Letting students get by for little if any work, a mistake, and the real world won't reward such efforts, not at all.

[Ben Johnson]

Flatulence from a resident peckerhead at degreediscussion:

Rich Douglas
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Indeed, Bill. What the idiots on other channels don't want to acknowledge is that this matter is a criminal one, not one for regional accreditors. And the criminal behavior of a few people working at a university in no way justifies the filth they (people like James Cr-bb, Neil H-yes, Larry Cr--den, and Dennis R-hl) wallow in.

Regional associations are not set up to prevent criminal behavior, except such that is defended by the cretins above. They're scum, as bad as the losers at Touro, except the latter have been caught.


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OK - regional accreditors do not prevent criminal behavior. They fight any attempt to set academic performance standards. WTF do they do? Winks and nods?

Of course the guy with the 6 month accredited PhD leads the charge.