(03-21-2012, 04:00 PM)ham Wrote:

Quote:If we're talking about a book (self-published, no less) whose contents are not a result of a research process judged by peer review (see above), perhaps your use of the term "degrees by published work" deserves a bit more scrutiny. Because that isn't what it means. Not by a long shot.

Peer review? You mean the kind of stuff mentioned here, with the two identical abstracts? PFFT!
I suspect the degree by published work in the uk is pretty well established beyond whatever anyone may insinuate.

Again, a non sequitur. I described a very "established" process and, yes, it is used in the UK.

Peer review does not refer to doctoral dissertations. Those are not reviewed by peers. They are reviewed by faculty. Peer review occurs in academic journals, where one's work is reviewed by other scholars, and authors are considered peers, not students.

Handing someone a Ph.D. for a non-supervised, self-published book however, is not. Neither is doing it for said work after it had been submitted for a previous Ph.D. Not at a university, anyway.

Quote:Peer review does not refer to doctoral dissertations. Those are not reviewed by peers. They are reviewed by faculty. Peer review occurs in academic journals, where one's work is reviewed by other scholars, and authors are considered peers, not students.

Eh?!
You mean submitting articles to peer-review journals is NOT something "mere students" do?
Careful here, ok?
Actually, with some exceptions, ANYBODY can submit for publication to peer-review journals.
I don't think that entitles Jack Fart from parts unknown to secret handshakes as a peer.

Quote:Handing someone a Ph.D. for a non-supervised, self-published book

supervised?
but you have to go through the entire process to build your portfolio AND you have to be examined to the satisfaction of a doctoral committee like many.

(03-22-2012, 03:48 AM)ham Wrote:

Quote:Peer review does not refer to doctoral dissertations. Those are not reviewed by peers. They are reviewed by faculty. Peer review occurs in academic journals, where one's work is reviewed by other scholars, and authors are considered peers, not students.

Eh?!
You mean submitting articles to peer-review journals is NOT something "mere students" do?
Careful here, ok?
Actually, with some exceptions, ANYBODY can submit for publication to peer-review journals.
I don't think that entitles Jack Fart from parts unknown to secret handshakes as a peer.

Quote:Handing someone a Ph.D. for a non-supervised, self-published book

supervised?
but you have to go through the entire process to build your portfolio AND you have to be examined to the satisfaction of a doctoral committee like many.

Agreed that students (or anyone else) can submit articles. They are treated as peers in those circumstances (as opposed to being supervised as students). But the effect is the same.

It doesn't matter what portfolio you build, the work that is the basis of the degree has to be academic, too. Not a self-published book. And in the case I'm thinking of, there was no committee, just one person. And no university review, because the university didn't actually exist. But I guess we agree.

(03-22-2012, 10:29 AM)Really? Wrote:

(03-22-2012, 03:48 AM)ham Wrote:

Quote:Peer review does not refer to doctoral dissertations. Those are not reviewed by peers. They are reviewed by faculty. Peer review occurs in academic journals, where one's work is reviewed by other scholars, and authors are considered peers, not students.

Eh?!
You mean submitting articles to peer-review journals is NOT something "mere students" do?
Careful here, ok?
Actually, with some exceptions, ANYBODY can submit for publication to peer-review journals.
I don't think that entitles Jack Fart from parts unknown to secret handshakes as a peer.

Quote:Handing someone a Ph.D. for a non-supervised, self-published book

supervised?
but you have to go through the entire process to build your portfolio AND you have to be examined to the satisfaction of a doctoral committee like many.

Agreed that students (or anyone else) can submit articles. They are treated as peers in those circumstances (as opposed to being supervised as students). But the effect is the same.

It doesn't matter what portfolio you build, the work that is the basis of the degree has to be academic, too. Not a self-published book. And in the case I'm thinking of, there was no committee, just one person. And no university review, because the university didn't actually exist. But I guess we agree.

I guess there is considerable latitude in evaluating what constitutes passable material, as professor fifteenboim demonstrates with his recycled work.
I doubt anyone who just published a ten volume hardcover series in the flagship collection of this university press is going to seek a degree by published work.

(03-17-2012, 02:18 PM)Armando Ramos Wrote: http://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/clms/po...d/students

Thesis title blank? Is somebody shopping around for a new good choice?

Now he's gone altogether. Add that to the not-so-subtle hints he's been dropping at Toelicker Info, and it looks like somebody has changed trains.

Quote:(NB: I have current experience with at least one of the schools mentioned, so I'll refrain from commenting on them specifically.)

http://www.degreeinfo.com/general-distan...post430671

Isn't Bellevue a psychiatric facility in NYC? Sounds like somebody made a good choice!

I remember Bellevue U as the place that used to claim its business programs were IACBE accredited. By implication this included the subject PhD program, and in fact they were even informing callers that their PhD program was IACBE accredited.

I'm told somebody got a refund of a "non-refundable" application fee after complaining that IACBE did not accredit their PhD program, but only their BS and MBA programs. I see they since have updated their website to reflect this.

But it always makes you wonder: if they are willing to lie about something so easily verifiable what else are they lying about? Let's hope somebody doesn't find out the hard way.

(04-05-2013, 04:01 AM)Winston Smith Wrote: Now he's gone altogether. Add that to the not-so-subtle hints he's been dropping at Toelicker Info, and it looks like somebody has changed trains.

An interesting development. Those foreign "dissertation only" programs are attractive to those of us who have had quite enough boring courses. Sitting through (and paying for) 15 or more useless courses for the "privilege" of writing a long term paper seems like a lot of silly hoop jumping.

It makes you wonder when you see somebody who successfully navigated the American doctoral system previously but can't make it through a reputable UK program. Is it too tough when you don't have pals on your committee, or are the Brits just running a tight system that weeds out slackers and non-hackers?

(04-05-2013, 01:49 PM)Armando?Ramos Wrote: Those foreign "dissertation only" programs are attractive to those of us who have had quite enough boring courses.?

Looks like Leicester just bumped the price for most of their international DL PhD programs.? For example, the price of a Management PhD went from ?17,530 (US$26,869.26) to ?18,320 (US$28,077.75 at today's rate).? If I read the website correctly that's total cost, not annual.? Still not a bad deal compared to ~$60k and up for Walden, Rockies, etc.? You have to add in a couple trips to the East Midlands in the bargain, but you still come out ahead unless you travel with an entourage of homies.

How about you, Utivich? You make that deal?

(04-06-2013, 04:45 AM)Herbert?Spencer Wrote:

(04-05-2013, 01:49 PM)Armando?Ramos Wrote: Those foreign "dissertation only" programs are attractive to those of us who have had quite enough boring courses.?

Looks like Leicester just bumped the price for most of their international DL PhD programs.? For example, the price of a Management PhD went from ?17,530 (US$26,869.26) to ?18,320 (US$28,077.75 at today's rate).? If I read the website correctly that's total cost, not annual.? Still not a bad deal compared to ~$60k and up for Walden, Rockies, etc.? You have to add in a couple trips to the East Midlands in the bargain, but you still come out ahead unless you travel with an entourage of homies.

How about you, Utivich? You make that deal?

Not that the average American hillbilly is going to care, but in SCOTLAND AND WALES university fees STILL follow the old scheme (=not affected by the recent hike British law prompted).

Quote:If I read the website correctly that's total cost, not annual.

I am afraid IT IS the ANNUAL cost.

(04-06-2013, 01:30 PM)ham Wrote: I am afraid IT IS the ANNUAL cost.

Well, we could just email and ask them, but what fun would that be?? Following the precedent established by "experts" like George Gollum, we should first speculate, guess, conjecture, hypothesize, connect-the-dots, ruminate, suppose and surmise.

My guess was based on this:

Quote:These are the total course fees. The amount of tuition fee set for the year when you register is the total amount that you will pay for your studies. Whether it takes three years or up to six years, the fee remains the same.

http://www2.le.ac.uk/study/research/phd/...e-learning

Compare this to, for example, the fees stated for the distance Archaeology PhD:

Quote:These are the annual fees.

2012/13
? UK/EU Applicants - ?1,988
? International Applicants - ?4,863

2013/14
? UK/EU Applicants - ?2,078
? International Applicants - ?5,083

http://www2.le.ac.uk/study/research/phd/...e-learning

In the latter example they specifically state that the fees are annual while the former does not, and the stated annual fee is substantially less than that stated for the other program.?

You would think that in England they might have a firm enough handle on the English language that they could communicate these simple things without leaving the reader in mystery.? But being in academia, they probably have a crew of third-world drones doing all the donkey work and don't want to damage their self-esteem or risk accusations of racism by pointing out incompetence.

Really? could you please explain why you posted this original post in the first place?

I think we can all agree that plagerism is bad. Whats your point?