Quinn's New Fan Club
#31
A social variation of Occam's Razor might be: "Given two or more interpretations of the facts, prefer the least sinister."

In the case of Chip White -- the least sinister interpretation is that, while legal, his branch of the industry exists on a fuzzy line because the models and actors, while adults, look young and the ambiguity may be harmful to society. Here it is not at all a case of sexual orientation but a case of the young appearance of the models involved. Male or female -- the line is just as fuzzy.

In the case of DesElms -- all that is known is that he is on record as having invested a large amount of his time and money in an attempt to pull a woman out of an abusive industry. The characterization that he spent X number of dollars on a hooker is just that -- a characterization intended to paint him in a certain light -- a characterization brought forth by those attempting to harrass him and by those who had an interest in attempting to annoy him. Whose business is it that he invested so much trying to help someone?

In the case of Bear's past involvement in schools now considered less-than-wonderful -- as far as I can tell, he's never been shy to explain just how he was involved in them.

But that's all neither here nor there. I don't have time to concern myself with other people's business too much ... I have my own interests to protect.

In the last year, I have stayed out of the DL world, and yet my name continues to come up on the DL boards. I can ignore it (and mostly have), or I can defend myself and my name (which I do from time to time).

Every time I come in and defend my name, some anonymous twit tries to intimidate me into silence. It won't work. Why won't it work?

Let's get pragmatic about it:

I'm almost 40. I have three teenage children (and others) I must support for some time to come. My good name is my trade. Every time some idiot puts that name in a Usenet subject line, and in the message pisses in the wind - he pisses on my trade, my value as an earner, et cetera. Neilist knows this -- this is why he is sure to put that name in the subject line -- it gets higher ranking on Google that way.

I could really care less anymore what the DL world does with its spare time. The majority of the DL world has shown me that they'd rather spend their time attacking one another and one another's private business than they would discussing DL issues.

But I do care about my good name. Every wage-earning member of society has a right to care about his good name. It's built into common law, it's built into legal documents ... it's as old as society itself.

So in simple terms -- the only way to get me to shut up is to shut up about me. A good way to get me to go away is for people to stop talking about me, and to stop feeding those who have no other desire than to smear my name across search engines.

It's not about ego -- it's about economics.
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#32
Quinn gets repeatedly shat upon by his buddies to whom he replies "Please sir, can I have some more" His DI/DD buddies think he approaches being the worlds biggest loser. I used to think they were wrong. Now I'm not sure. He used to be respected on these alternate education sites but seems to think that the people who supported him are somehow less well placed than the DI/DD experts who have never enrolled in a single distance course. Quinn is ten times the academic that any of those oddballs but his incessant ass kissing wears on a person after a while.
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#33
Ben Johnson Wrote:Quinn gets repeatedly shat upon by his buddies to whom he replies "Please sir, can I have some more"  His DI/DD buddies think he approaches being the worlds biggest loser.  I used to think they were wrong.  Now I'm not sure.  He used to be respected on these alternate education sites but seems to think that the people who supported him are somehow less well placed than the DI/DD experts who have never enrolled in a single distance course.  Quinn is ten times the academic that any of those oddballs but his incessant ass kissing wears on a person after a while.

Ass kissing? Hah.

As far as I can tell -- the one's who've spent the greatest amount of energy attacking me to date have been those on whose side I used to stand. The other side has mostly shut up about me.

The one's now feeding the smearing -- are aligned to which side, Ben?

Who put this topic up and started pointing at Neilist's insanity?

The "other side"?

Nope.

Who pointed Neilist to this board so he could start yattering on about it?

The "other side"?

Nope.

When this side started attacking women and children -- I called foul -- and ratted out to the father of the girl the man who admitted involvement in that behavior.

My payment for that great "betrayal" ...

... a grinding spite that continues to fuel attacks against me despite the fact that I kept my nose out of this world for over a year.

I don't want pity, I don't want an apology, and I don't want acceptance. I want silence.
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#34
Quote:In the case of DesElms -- all that is known is that he is on record as having invested a large amount of his time and money in an attempt to pull a woman out of an abusive industry. The characterization that he spent X number of dollars on a hooker is just that -- a characterization intended to paint him in a certain light -- a characterization brought forth by those attempting to harrass him and by those who had an interest in attempting to annoy him. Whose business is it that he invested so much trying to help someone?

hey...you forgot his contribution to the advancement of the human race: the "book" he was supposedly researching... Rolleyes see how many "less sinister" explanations one can find? Helping others...no wait...it had to be a research or something...no wait...
By god I must be a saint of sort after all those visits to strip clubs...and how many other "apostles" I met there, trying to "redeem" alluring beauties...
By the same token you must consider John Bear 's many "debatable" DE/DL exploits as "a lark" and not a money making venture by a ruthless businessman...

Quote:When this side started attacking women and children -- I called foul -- and ratted out to the father of the girl the man who admitted involvement in that behavior.

again...
I posted quite a lot of materials about the clique here.
Who sent that to me?
N O B O D Y
Ever heard about internet searches?
In the case of the "kid's" blog, that was on public display with full details... who maintained that weird blog? Who chose to sprinkle telling details over it? Certainly not me.

Quote:he's never been shy to explain just how he was involved in them.

ah, sure...like the "funding children charities" item, huh?
And what about attacking the very concept of dodgy schools, or the graduates of the very dodgy schools he once operated or promoted?

i just say these people have no right to judge anybody by any moral standpoint. You then feel free to believe in books being researched & the like.

Quote:My good name is my trade.

who puts that very name forward to start with?
Anyways, I see you are very casual about Bear, White & co...no reason not to be casual about what is said about you, right?

Quote:It's not about ego -- it's about economics.

I won't comment about you, but I can comment about others.
Why would it not be "fair" to criticize Bear, White, Des Elms, Gollin etc?
Who put their very names forward?
White trying to cloud his other ehm..."debatable" ventures...?
Bear trying to sell a book, making no mystery he'd partner with just anyone able to close a sale?
Des Elms turned god-fearing and righteous after finding the lord in a massage parlor, and wanting everybody to know?

One can command attention and often get it, albeit not the back-patting kind...
Hey! Critics consider some of the movies I like best trash...

Quote:I kept my nose out of this world for over a year.

I don't want pity, I don't want an apology, and I don't want acceptance. I want silence.

someone resumed a feud he had once started against me after six years...go figure...

Hint: the more you keep squawking about how hurt you are (especially financially), the more you'll have them insist about just that...
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#35
ham Wrote:I won't comment about you, but I can comment about others.
Why would it not be "fair" to criticize Bear, White, Des Elms, Gollin etc?
Who put their very names forward?

It's not about whether or not it's fair to criticize them, Ham. If it were about what they've had to say, I'd "get" it.

I'm trying to find an anology we might be able to agree upon.

Let's say Boxer A and Boxer B are scheduled to fight in the ring. Their families attend, and sit in the audience. Boxer B's manager sits behind Boxer A's family members with a big sign up in the air that reads: "I slept with Boxer A's wife last night!" During this whole thing, he shoots spitballs at Boxer A's kid.

The sign attracts A's attention while he's boxing against B. While he glances over at the sign, he notices his kid getting spit on.

Is Boxer B's manager (and by extension, Boxer B) being a sport?

No.

Maybe B's manager is hoping that A will be so distracted that B will beat the tar out of A. Maybe B's manager is just a prick. Maybe B's manager is just mentally unstable.

No matter what ... when you know that B's manager is out there in the audience, attacking A's family ... B comes out stinking.

Now, you can say, "Boxer A should not have had his family sitting in the audience. If they sat out there -- they were fair game."

You can say, "Boxer A is a known hot-head. As a hot head, he should have known better than to think B's manager would play fair."

You can say, "It was political satire on B's manager's part, and as such, is protected by the freakin' constitution."

You can say, "Boxer B's manager is a Libertarian and was attempting to demonstrate the ...."

Whotta loada crap.

It doesn't matter if Boxer A is the biggest jerk on planet earth -- while he's in the ring against B -- B either fights by "the rules" or he takes up origami. It doesn't matter if nobody else plays by the rules that day, that week, or that month. It doesn't matter whether it's raining, snowing, or windy outside. It doesn't matter whether A's kid has a blog. It doesn't matter whether ... well, all that stuff is blowing smoke.

What matters is that A's family are off limits -- and publicly bringing them into the battle is cheap, sleezy, and just plain wrong. Doing it in a vulgar way -- amplifies the transgression.

It's not "criticism" to attack a man's family to distract him during a debate.

I know you understand what I'm getting at -- but maybe you have too much invested to just bloody well agree with me and condemn it across the board. It's not about whether you participated in it.

Ultimately -- the fact that I didn't endorse it earned me a few enemies with enough energy to keep the home fires burning. Those enemies very publicly fed someone who is publicly wishing me dead. I can fall to the intimidation -- or I can speak up in my own defense. Whether or not you would defend yourself if your full legal name were out there under similar attack is none of my concern. Mine is. Pretty basic stuff.
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#36
ham Wrote:Hint: the more you keep squawking about how hurt you are (especially financially), the more you'll have them insist about just that...
Big GrinBig Grin

Hint: Oh, I would love them to publicly acknowlege their motive in smearing me is to screw up my economic future. There is a reason that I use words like "without prejudice", and there is a reason why I make it clear that I have concerns about such smearing.

Defending one's trademark (in this case, my name) is a time honored tradition.

Neilist's malice aforethought in putting my name (and keywords such as titles of books I've written and so on) in the subject lines of his posts he knows Google will index is clear. It's not the most well-advised campaign he's gone on, to be sure.

Only the most daft would hang his hat on Neilist's present barrage.
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#37
Quote:It doesn't matter if Boxer A is the biggest jerk on planet earth -- while he's in the ring against B -- B either fights by "the rules" or he takes up origami. It doesn't matter if nobody else plays by the rules that day, that week, or that month. It doesn't matter whether it's raining, snowing, or windy outside. It doesn't matter whether A's kid has a blog. It doesn't matter whether ... well, all that stuff is blowing smoke.

What matters is that A's family are off limits -- and publicly bringing them into the battle is cheap, sleezy, and just plain wrong. Doing it in a vulgar way -- amplifies the transgression.

It's not "criticism" to attack a man's family to distract him during a debate.

this is the damn internet, not a world football championship...besides, Maradona won Argentine a trophy using his hand...
It is obvious we see things differently.
I don't know about others, but I don't see it as blowing smoke...unless newspapers & other public sources are fake.
I'll repeat again...
If I posted here my credit card's number, I would probably find some merry fellow abusing it to buy junk at my expenses, or withdraw money... criminal...but who's to blame? They didn't steal it from me at gunpoint...
Daddy makes everything in his power to command attention, calls people frauds and liars; makes no mystery to be out to get them, but on his side of the fence, it is exposing wrongdoers for the sake of public education... little dear has a weird blog stuffed with all possible ID... on his side of the fence it is harassing a minor...
Sorry but I don't buy it.
Ah, I forgot... "they" do it to uphold the law...ah, ok...another "evil bombs " VS "freedom bombs" debate...but if one was the recipient of a bomb, he wouldn't be able to tell the difference between good & bad boys.
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#38
ham Wrote:It is obvious we see things differently.

We sure do.
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#39
Hey Quinn, FUCK YOU!

Ha ha!
"closed list" "closed list" "closed list"
"personal space" "personal space" "personal space"
Hey Quinn, I'm laughing at the "superior intellect"
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
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#40
Quote:I would love them to publicly acknowlege their motive in smearing me is to screw up my economic future.

my only advice is that it was imprudent of you to enter the internet arena and take part in debates if you are so vulnerable to whatever anybody might post online.

Quote:while he's in the ring against B -- B either fights by "the rules" or he takes up origami.

That is the perverted British rule of politics: politician A won't mention politician B embezzled funds for the hospitals as long as B won't mention A embezzled emergency care funds for earthquake victims...meanwhile they all talk about the weather...
Reminds me on an episode: Belgian politician refuses to shake hands with Italian politician on the ground he was said to be "fascist" and (early 1990s) a short while later the whole Belgian government is hit by the scandal of the ring of murderous pedophiles who abducted, abused and murdered preschool children, to which the government offered protection because some big ticket officials were part of it.
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B.A London Institute of Applied Research
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M.A International Institute for Advanced Studies
Ph.D London Institute of Applied Research
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