Ward Churchill Wins; Judge Nullifies Verdict
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ham Wrote:It's just sordid politics...

Most of the time I would agree with you.  Having been on the short end of that stick more than a few times myself, I believe that cases should be decided based on the law and the facts, and not political issues.  

But in this case I think somebody just said, "This fucker needs to go."  Then they found an excuse to make it stick, within the rules.  They acted with the best interests of their university in mind, because nobody was going to donate anything (other than maybe a few hundred rounds of flying lead) to anyplace employing such a turd.

To drag up another WWII example, I remember my mom telling me how the Filipinos in her home town wore big signs that said "Filipino" when they got on the bus.  Otherwise they would be taken for "Jap spies" and beaten senseless by the other riders.  

(Clearly the Japanese missed a big opportunity to advance their espionage activities during the war.  If they had issued each spy a "Filipino" sign they could have ridden the bus all day with impunity.)

Ordinarily I wouldn't advocate beating people senseless strictly on ethnic grounds, but I can understand the passion.  Anyone with an ounce of patriotism who saw those buildings get hit and then collapse on 9/11 shares the same feelings those bus riders had.  Whoever attacks my country attacks me.  It's not based on some ethnic bias but rather just fundamental patriotism.  

What this asshole Churchill did was the equivalent of getting on the bus wearing a sign that said "Heil Tojo and what are you gonna do about it?"  As I said, if all he got out of the deal was fired he really ought to count his blessings.  
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#12
Quote:Ordinarily I wouldn't advocate beating people senseless strictly on ethnic grounds, but I can understand the passion.  Anyone with an ounce of patriotism who saw those buildings get hit and then collapse on 9/11 shares the same feelings those bus riders had.  Whoever attacks my country attacks me.  It's not based on some ethnic bias but rather just fundamental patriotism.  

Remember Katyn.
Remember when 'little Hulkamaniacs' wanted Gadhafy killed because big brother said he was the mastermind of all terrorism. Now the very same Colonel Gadhafy is paraded around the trendy watering holes of international politics as the new friend it's cool to have.
Terrorism?
You finance it when you buy oil and big brother will go any length to stop the development of alternative fuel...
Why?
It gets a cut, it's that simple.
Then it stampedes unwashed little Hulkamaniacs against the target of the week...Afghanistan...no, Iraq...no, Iran...no, Russia...
Hell, remember 'nuke the frogs'?
Now it's 'Sarkozy fantastic pro-American administration'...
What if little Hulkamaniacs had beaten a 'frog' senseless...what would they do now, tell him they're sorry?

Quote:But in this case I think somebody just said, "This fucker needs to go."  Then they found an excuse to make it stick, within the rules.  They acted with the best interests of their university in mind, because nobody was going to donate anything (other than maybe a few hundred rounds of flying lead) to anyplace employing such a turd.

That is one reason.
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#13
Albert Hidel Wrote:There's free speech and then there's yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.  I don't know where the line is exactly, but clearly (to me, and apparently, to the judge too) this Churchill asshole crossed it.

Ham Wrote:I disagree.
He didn't direct a Muslim mob to kill people.
As for 'big pictures', did YOU loose any sleep over Iraqi children dying as a result of the embargo? I didn't, but I cannot pretend they didn't exist...so much for the Twin Towers.

Churchill didn't cross the line legally or he would have found himself prosecuted in some jurisdiction. There were a number of prosecutions for aiding and abetting Al Qaida, and many of them seemed a stretch based on the facts reported. If a prosecutor somewhere thought that he had a decent shot at convicting Churchill, he would have taken it for the opportunity of hanging Churchill's scalp from his belt.

Churchill showed himself to be a complete asshole with his comments. Set aside the insensitivity of his comments for a moment. If an academic knows that he is basically a phony but has somehow scammed the system and obtained a tenured professorship, he shouldn't go out of his way to draw extra attention to himself. Churchill could have gotten away with continuing to be an anti-American extremist if he kept his comments confined to attacking American national policies. Instead he crossed the line (of public opinion, not the law) by seemingly trivializing a national tragedy with many true victims.

Churchill really didn't do his cause any good in the end, either. Regardless of how poorly Native Americans have been treated by the U.S. government, to link their cause with anything even remotely related to the Middle East is absurd. It is for certain that the one place where Native Americans would have been treated far worse than the U.S. would have been in the Middle East.
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#14
ham Wrote:Esther Delisle is a Canadian student who submitted a controversial Ph.D thesis (published in 1992) basically accusing Lionel Groulx (Quebec nationalist clergyman of the 1930s) of being a crypto Nazi, antisemite etc.

Racism in Quebec? Surely you jest. Those are only manifestations of ethnocentric nationalism.
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#15
The problem is NOT that Ward Churchill IS a quack or a 'peculiar' individual, because he is...
The problem -to me at least- is how big brother operates.

Quote:If an academic knows that he is basically a phony but has somehow scammed the system and obtained a tenured professorship, he shouldn't go out of his way to draw extra attention to himself.

The problem with phony liberals is that attracting attention is their job, so they cannot discern very well. The Esther Delisle case shows how big brother reacts differently to basically the same situation.
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#16
ham Wrote:The problem is NOT that Ward Churchill IS a quack or a 'peculiar' individual, because he is...
The problem -to me at least- is how big brother operates.

I would like to see big brother snatch up this Commie, ship him over to Egypt or Saudi Arabia, and let our allies go to work on him with pliers, jumper cables and and a car battery. When they are done with him they can dump him in a sewer like the piece of shit he is.
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#17
http://www.chieftain.com/articles/2009/0...288144.txt
Quote:Published: July 08, 2009 11:54 pm

Good riddance
By THE PUEBLO CHIEFTAIN

GOOD RIDDANCE to bad rubbish readily comes to mind now that the controversial Ward Churchill has lost his bid to return to the University of Colorado faculty.

Denver District Judge Larry Naves refused Tuesday to reinstate the ethnic studies professor, notorious for his description of the victims of the 9/11 attacks in 2001 as "Little Eichmanns." It was despicable and unfair to the victims to be compared with Adolf Eichmann, the Nazi who helped orchestrate the Holocaust under Adolf Hitler.

Mr. Churchill later was fired for academic misconduct, including plagiarism of others' research. The judge noted that in earlier proceedings, a jury had awarded Mr. Churchill only $1 in damages for CU's alleged retaliation against him for exercising his free-speech rights.

The discredited professor will not be returning to his $96,000-per-year job nor will he be entitled to a financial settlement. Despite Mr. Churchill's hollow claim that he did not sue for money, that is, in fact, what the case was all about. He got a measly $1 for his efforts. CU's decision to fire him was all about the integrity of the Boulder faculty. Judge Naves agreed that reinstating this awful man would weaken CU's ability to hold students and faculty accountable for misconduct.

Nor would we want our children and families exposed to this academic fraud. Mr. Churchill vowed to appeal, and we trust the Colorado Supreme Court will uphold the decisions of both CU and Judge Naves.

It's too bad the controversy lasted as long as it did, but that's often the way of academic processes. At long last, we're just glad with the result.
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#18
I took an anthropology course about Indian society a generation ago. I'm not sure why it wasn't sociology. I discovered what the whole problem was. It was people that looked like me. It had nothing to do with moving an illiterate group of hunter gatherers who spoke little or no English from essentially the stone age to the space age in a couple generations. It was about that time I wrote the whole field off as non-academic flim-flam. Churchill was living in a fantasy world of a single solution for all problems, blame whitey, but the odometer on that miled out at 9-11.
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Quote:I would like to see big brother snatch up this Commie, ship him over to Egypt or Saudi Arabia, and let our allies go to work on him with pliers, jumper cables and and a car battery. When they are done with him they can dump him in a sewer like the piece of shit he is.

Hmm...
While you may go away with it against Churchill, try Hulkamania against you-know-whos (O.J Simpson, Martin Luther King...black crime...certain religious groups pulling the wires of congressmen to shape middle eastern politics...) and you'll find yourself in the pit of some 'hate crime' accusation, with clowns like Churchill lecturing from the podium while big brother nods in agreement and writes a cheque...then cops escort you away and big brother points the index finger at the temple in a circular rotation motion...
Would anyone publish a 'good riddance' article about Martin Luther King?
I find it surprising that no matter how up their butt big brother pushes it, little Hulkamaniacs are always ready to come back to the good shepherd for more.
As well, you should include Libya and Pakistan among 'your allies'...
Now Hulkamaniacs tend to see themselves as morally superior to Nazis, but at every drop of the hat they are advocating torture, murder and so forth...and bragging about 'alliances' with third world tribal dictatorships that make Heydrich look like king Solomon.
Just in case you haven't noticed (there is a video to the effect), Hulk Hogan publicly stated Hulkamania was just a giant advertisement campaign to stuff his pockets...so is big brother.
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