Careful What You Say

[ham]

Man, I just hope you're not serious. You compare SRU with CCU and Nova during their early stages???!!! You compare with CCU and Nova a fraudulent operation like SRU run by a high school dropout who impersonated dozens of non existent "professors" to trick students???

the merit of the comparison is that there are dodgy schools that are accredited, and dodgy schools that are unaccredited. What seems 'too much to take' when a school is unaccredited becomes understandable and easily stretched within 'reasonable' limits, courtesy of huge payments to politicians, lobbies and their cronies.
University of Phoenix and Capella may be 2 examples.
I read that Phoenix too started as a basement operation.

[Ben Johnson]

True, the percentage may be more like 60% right than 80%. I was being kind to George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) and giving him more credit than I should have.

A true gentleman.

[Brian Crawford]

Man, I just hope you're not serious. You compare SRU with CCU and Nova during their early stages???!!! You compare with CCU and Nova a fraudulent operation like SRU run by a high school dropout who impersonated dozens of non existent "professors" to trick students???

the merit of the comparison is that there are dodgy schools that are accredited, and dodgy schools that are unaccredited. What seems 'too much to take' when a school is unaccredited becomes understandable and easily stretched within 'reasonable' limits, courtesy of huge payments to politicians, lobbies and their cronies.
University of Phoenix and Capella may be 2 examples.
I read that Phoenix too started as a basement operation.

Gentlemen, all schools were (are) unaccredited for an average of four years of their start up. John Bear jumped on Columbia Southern University when they first opened and called them a diploma mill. Once they received DETC accreditation, he then called them his make up saying of GAAP http://www.degree.net/guides/accreditation.html(which actually stand for: Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP).

If George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) were actually qualified to be a CHEA commissioner, he could have said this.

[Someone]

Man, I just hope you're not serious. You compare SRU with CCU and Nova during their early stages???!!! You compare with CCU and Nova a fraudulent operation like SRU run by a high school dropout who impersonated dozens of non existent "professors" to trick students???

the merit of the comparison is that there are dodgy schools that are accredited, and dodgy schools that are unaccredited. What seems 'too much to take' when a school is unaccredited becomes understandable and easily stretched within 'reasonable' limits, courtesy of huge payments to politicians, lobbies and their cronies.
University of Phoenix and Capella may be 2 examples.
I read that Phoenix too started as a basement operation.

Are you actually saying that schools like Phoenix, Capella, CCU, Nova, etc. started off as scam operations comparable to SRU and, then, became respectable by making huge payments to politicians, lobbies, etc., in the same way that SRU bribed Liberian politicians? That the only difference between these schools and SRU is that the SRU scam artists didn't stretch their bribing far and wide enough, and that if they had been smart enough to do that, SRU would be now well on its way to becoming a legitimate and even respectable school?

It would take a stretch of the imagination to breaking point to entertain such possibility even for a brief moment.

The schools you mention did not start as "dodgy" operations. They started in a different era when different circumstances prevailed. They belonged to the non-traditional movement in higher education and some of them built a reputation as quality representatives of that movement while it lasted. When circumstances changed, some of these schools adapted to the new circumstances and sought R.A. or N.A., and some just fell by the wayside.

CCU was a special case as it continued to operate for many years on the old, outdated model of the 70's and 80's. That was the reason it attracted criticism from some quarters. People in the late 90's and early years of the 21st cent. could not understand the older concept of state approved, non traditional education.

[ham]

Are you actually saying that schools like Phoenix, Capella, CCU, Nova, etc. started off as scam operations comparable to SRU and, then, became respectable by making huge payments to politicians, lobbies, etc., in the same way that SRU bribed Liberian politicians? That the only difference between these schools and SRU is that the SRU scam artists didn't stretch their bribing far and wide enough, and that if they had been smart enough to do that, SRU would be now well on its way to becoming a legitimate and even respectable school?

University of Phoenix has been exposed as a boiler room scam farm; it has been found guilty in court of fraud at various levels and of various magnitudes etc etc; has been found to basically 'mill' degrees enrolling unsuitable applicants from you-know-who categories only to milk them dry etc etc: this from articles I read about something I couldn't care less ( I have never studied with Uop and never will; as a matter of fact I have this far not studied with ANY US institution, so you can't say I am biased ).
What's your opinion?
Of course you can play old Chip White/John Bear game and say 'but it's legal';' after all UoP is a business and business involves making money at all costs'; and chant with UoP lawyers that it all was about 'occasional violations' and 'hate campaigns' from disgruntled students or competitors.
Deliberate and systematic fraud?
Oh, that's reserved for mills.
The bargain basement origins of UoP are detailed in various articles.
And you can't say i sympathize with mills, either.
Never for a moment did i think that any of them ever started doing business out of concerns about 'freedom in academia', 'christian teaching' or whatever fig leaf they happen to wear at the moment: they were in business to press the 'print' button and hopefully laugh all their way to the bank...maybe as a 'lark' like L.I.A.R and Millard Fillmore to finance children charities, eh?
So maybe owners of the mill of the day will take off to Belize as soon as the coded bank account is fat enough...or maybe they will reform, 'invest' a sizable portion of the loot to make themselves presentable and apply for accreditation, maybe under another name...

[Brian Crawford]

Man, I just hope you're not serious. You compare SRU with CCU and Nova during their early stages???!!! You compare with CCU and Nova a fraudulent operation like SRU run by a high school dropout who impersonated dozens of non existent "professors" to trick students???

the merit of the comparison is that there are dodgy schools that are accredited, and dodgy schools that are unaccredited. What seems 'too much to take' when a school is unaccredited becomes understandable and easily stretched within 'reasonable' limits, courtesy of huge payments to politicians, lobbies and their cronies.
University of Phoenix and Capella may be 2 examples.
I read that Phoenix too started as a basement operation.

Are you actually saying that schools like Phoenix, Capella, CCU, Nova, etc. started off as scam operations comparable to SRU and, then, became respectable by making huge payments to politicians, lobbies, etc., in the same way that SRU bribed Liberian politicians? That the only difference between these schools and SRU is that the SRU scam artists didn't stretch their bribing far and wide enough, and that if they had been smart enough to do that, SRU would be now well on its way to becoming a legitimate and even respectable school?

It would take a stretch of the imagination to breaking point to entertain such possibility even for a brief moment.

The schools you mention did not start as "dodgy" operations. They started in a different era when different circumstances prevailed. They belonged to the non-traditional movement in higher education and some of them built a reputation as quality representatives of that movement while it lasted. When circumstances changed, some of these schools adapted to the new circumstances and sought R.A. or N.A., and some just fell by the wayside.

CCU was a special case as it continued to operate for many years on the old, outdated model of the 70's and 80's. That was the reason it attracted criticism from some quarters. People in the late 90's and early years of the 21st cent. could not understand the older concept of state approved, non traditional education.

You are not a good listener are you. All schools begin new as being unaccredited. That has nothing to do with comparing all schools with SRU or any other specific school.

Now, if you'd like an example of purchasing accreditation, then maybe you should look at Jones International University which appeared from the blue and had regional accreditation in hand. There is a mystery for you to noodle over. And which one is ownd by the New York Post, isn't that Kaplan, hummm.