Beware of Northcentral

[Toxic]

All this Donald Hecht stuff sounds like it comes from someone jealous of Hecht. And quoting anonymous postings from ripoffreport? PLEASE! We all know John Bear holds a grudge against Hecht (some Buddhist Bear is, huh?) and that Wanko Janko hate also hates Hecht. How do we know they and NoCentral Dave are not the ones posting this stuff? Quoting anonymous garbage is what a NoCentral\Tui "student" would do, not a real researcher !!!!!!!!!!!!!

FOCUS ON THE "NO RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS" of NoCentral and Tui!!! Make sure every school and the media know how easy it is to get a REGIONALLY ACCREDITED degree from these two FOR-PROFIT places.

A quality Unaccredited Ph D is just as good if not better than NoCentral\Tui without the pretenses of being a degree on par with a real RA school.

[Toxic]

The nutcases at DI/DD love RA, unless the Mayor of the Munchkins (Hecht) is involved
The birdbrains at DI/DD also love other CHEA accreditations, unless of course Hecht is involved!

Check out (if you can stomach it) the political discussions at DD. You will see the same clowns supporting politicians that lie like heck. Let the Munchkin stretch the truth a bit and they go wild. Really funny stuff. Bodhisattva (not) Bear is a barrel of laughs!

The stooges at DI/DD like to pretend they are academic researchers yet go on a feeding frenzy over unfounded or unproven rumors as long as Hecht is involved. Check out Bruce’s “The more I hear about NCU, the more glad (MORE GLAD?) I am to have crossed them off my list” comment based on unfounded rumors. GREAT DETECTIVE WORK THERE, Bruce! Hope you never arrest someone based on rumors alone !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That RA or no way education is serving you well!

The NoCentral shrill “me again” defense of the school is great reading also. Years ago he was a student at NoCentral, quit, BASHED the heck out of the place at DI, then went back, told people he was going to quit AGAIN, claimed NoCentral was going to give him an MBA, and now is back in the program AGAIN! Yessir, another proud example of a NoCentral student!

Anyone with any clue about higher ed knows there are many colleges with financial, governance, and complaining student issues. PLENTY! JUST DO THE SIMPLE RESEARCH !!! So easy even a NoCentral\Tui student should be able to do it !!!!!!!!! Well, maybe not a Tui student since so many had no clue the school was being sold. Going from a nice nonprofit Jewish school with a B&M presence to a for-profit distance only……..OY VEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What really makes this all so entertaining is the claim by some of these nuts that they are online\onsite instructors for the University of Phoenix. Is there a school more BASHED on the Internet than UoP ????? Yet some that bash NoCentral think (guess they can think) it is ok to “teach” at UoP. Yeah, sure….whatever.

These are the people that question unaccredited degrees. If their research “skills” are an example of their wonderful RA education, I’ll stick with an unaccredited degree thank you. Much cheaper and you might actually learn something.

[Armando Ramos]

What really makes this all so entertaining is the claim by some of these nuts that they are online\onsite instructors for the University of Phoenix. Is there a school more BASHED on the Internet than UoP ????? Yet some that bash NoCentral think (guess they can think) it is ok to "teach" at UoP. Yeah, sure....whatever.

I see that NCU managed to escape with the minimum 3-year accreditation renewal. That's really a kick in the shorts for everyone. It's just a step above probation, but it's not probation. Clearly this is a place with problems, and I'm glad I'm not a student there or I'd be wondering whether I'd just invested in some hot air.

But you make a good point about how some of the most reviled RA schools seem to be the most distance learning oriented.? I suspect the reason UoP relies so heavily on the unpopular "learning team" concept is that some accreditation team diagnosed independent study as a "weakness" in the program, so they over-compensated. It does make it difficult for socialist profs to indoctrinate the mush brains if they can't apply peer pressure.

On the other hand, NCU is a good idea badly executed. A lot of overseas schools have been doing doctorates by distance learning for years without problems. But I don't see a lot of faculty at NCU who earned a doctorate overseas that way, so I suspect they don't have the first clue on how to do it. They are trying to adapt traditional face-to-face methods to the internet. So you get students who, obviously, never did a doctoral program before being led by dementors who never did a distance learning doctoral program before, or a distance learning program of any kind. Predictably, the result is what you would expect for amateur night. I would have expected NCACS to hit this area hard.

[ham]

Years ago he was a student at NoCentral, quit, BASHED the heck out of the place at DI, then went back, told people he was going to quit AGAIN, claimed NoCentral was going to give him an MBA, and now is back in the program AGAIN! Yessir, another proud example of a NoCentral student!

the check cleared the second time.

[Don Dresden]

All this Donald Hecht stuff sounds like it comes from someone jealous of Hecht.

According to what is being said at Toelicker Central, the accreditation problems concern "governance."

The HLC is very concerned about governance and how decisions are made. Asking for copies of minutes of each meeting says, "we are watching you and want to ensure this is a real board not a kangaroo board that serves at the pleasure of the owner."

http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread....post273357

So if the problems concern "governance," and Hecht has been governing overtly right up until a few months ago (and covertly probably still is), who is NCACS concerned with?

Likewise, if the problem is finances, and the school isn't allowed to make Title IV loans because of Hecht's past problems, and the school can't compete with real schools for students as a result, who is the source of the problem?

Hecht is the problem, so it's tough to discuss the situation and not discuss Hecht.

Does Bear have a hard on for Hecht? It would seem so. But leaving Bear and his braying donkey squad out of the equation, Hecht is still a problem.

As someone who supports distance learning and legit non-traditional education, I'd like to see NCU succeed. I have no doubt that many of the obstacles tossed in their way, and a good portion of the criticism, are the result of traditional interests doing their best to see innovation fail. But for innovation to succeed it needs to function properly, and NCU doesn't seem to be functioning efficiently for anyone other than Hecht's bankers.

[Ben Johnson]

I couldn't care less about Hecht. Northcentral U. is a great opportunity for students. Their 100% distance doctoral programs are quite rare.

As long as they maintain sufficient academic standards that can garner enough respect to get graduates academic jobs at community colleges and 4th tier universities, what more is needed?

[Herbert Spencer]

I couldn't care less about Hecht. Northcentral U. is a great opportunity for students. Their 100% distance doctoral programs are quite rare.

As long as they maintain sufficient academic standards that can garner enough respect to get graduates academic jobs at community colleges and 4th tier universities, what more is needed?

I don't disagree with that at all. The 100% DL RA doctorate is revolutionary, and a successful program here could be a boon to development of similar programs elsewhere.

Nobody ever said NCU was Harvard, or even Union. The problem is that they set the bar as low as humanly possible and still can't reach it. They aren't maintaining academic standards, they aren't maintaining administrative standards, and they aren't maintaining financial standards. As a result they presently aren't garnering much respect from anyone, and the NCACS in particular.

Consider that WASC is one of the stricter accreditation agencies, and they let a crap school like New College wallow on sanction for 17 of the last 27 years before dumping it, and only then for financial reasons. Just how bad must NCU be if they can only muster the minimum 3 year extension (out of 10 max) from NCACS, the most lenient of all accreditors?

The written report on this will be a real eye-opener, I do believe. If I had to bet, I'd say it was three years to let NCU teach out the remaining doctoral students, then NCACS will make them dump the program altogether and go back to square one.

[Toxic]

Thanks to a friend that will be leaving NoCentral REAL SOON I visited the student website. What a spartan website. The discussion topic "Reaccreditation is a GO!!" was real entertainment. So many clueless people with their knickers in a knot! Some Bob guy that is so into himself and is busy shrilling his new book claimed "inside info" that it would be three years. My friend told me he is a real wackjob that posts all over the NoCentral website. If this forum is an example of NoCentral doctoral students then Harry the Hippo at the local zoo should sign up. BEFORE NoCentral goes out of business that is !!

[ham]

If this forum is an example of NoCentral doctoral students then Harry the Hippo at the local zoo should sign up. BEFORE NoCentral goes out of business that is !!

Is there a public link?

Well, I left -while shaking my head in disbelief - the "restricted to students forum" of a well-know, accredited (no Capella/Phoenix things ) online university.
Believe it or not, for criticizing (mildly, with many caveats ) some aspects of the fee structure I found unfair to the category I belong to, I was rounded up and attacked -and those who supported my view had to leave - much like it'd happen on "fifteen years old Joe's tripod page forum".
They made bogus counterarguments documenting their ignorance making absurd assumptions about exchange rates and a few enlightened geniuses even asked me why would i care to get the services I had paid for.
One idiot had 20 posts but 10 were spent attacking me like a drunk teenager would do with decades old Freddie Blassie quotes, and in the end I was the big bad wolf.
I got even threatened by those in charge ( the usual self-important zeroes rolling on the gravy train of public money ).
Now while that might happen on "little Jimmy's tripod forum", THIS is a venture a few individuals (ab)use as their own sandbox and you ought to see how nervous they become when people ask where does money go.
I think student unions are a waste of time, but if at B&M universities they do buy booze & throw parties now & then , what about an online university?!
Relax folks...the lot is huuge (n dollar paid per student per course ) and you bet they'll find a way not to let it go to waste.
I think one of the last councils disbanded after financial mismanagement was documented...

Those are no better places than degreeinfo, but at least degreeinfo is free.

[Toxic]

If this forum is an example of NoCentral doctoral students then Harry the Hippo at the local zoo should sign up. BEFORE NoCentral goes out of business that is !!

Is there a public link?

It is for students only with is too bad since it is so entertaining!!!!

Check out these quotes from the NoCentral Student Advisory Board President:
When pressed as to where he got his 3 year figure for accrediation his got all prissy:

"Having written/published a book titled ............(CERTAINLY DO NOT WANT TO PROMOTE THE BOOK HERE, HE HAS DONE ENOUGH OF THAT AT THE STUDENT FORUM!) I have a well-developed network, which provides me with information that is neither widely known nor disseminated. I'm also a research specialist in terrorism, intelligence, and counterterrorism, so I have sources that provide the latest G-2 on anything I desire to know. Granted, we don't always receive totally accurate information. Even the CIA and FBI do not gather totally accurate information because they are made up of fallible people like all of us.

Therefore, if people consider this information as speculation and/or rumor-mongering, then, I will not respond when anyone asks a question or wonders about something in the future. I do have other information that I have not released and will not do so because I am so totally invested in time and money on my PhD-BA HS program that I want to graduate within my scheduled self-imposed deadline of December 2010. Additionally, I do believe that NCU is the finest 100-percent online university in the world and will be proud to graduate from this great institution!"

WOW! No time to fill us in on his super secret agent info but plenty of time to have a gazzilon posts all over the forum, even in honor societies he doesn't belong to !!!!!!!!!!!! And this person is no spring chicken either !!!!!!!!!!

Another fine example of a NoCentral student!