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Quote:That story with gay teen porn is, IMHO, the worst one could read about a person involved in Christian ministry. Really shocking. Was there no pastoral oversight to stop him? What a shame! I would take it as a good example of what should NOT happen in Christian ministry. If I had been the bishop of such a person, I would have ordered him to refrain from any such activities and/or associations with immediate effect or to leave. Very simple; the integrity of Christian Ministry would be at risk if something like this would be allowed to happen!

As I said, people in the 'wild bunch' of online distance 'authorities' uncle Janko associated himself with had closets literally packed with skeletons.
The best known, dr. John Bear , operated/owned/promoted a series of unaccredited schools he now calls degree mills; his best explanation is that -at worst- his attempts shall be construed as a 'lark'...
John Bear 's exploits have appeared in print as this site shows, but most of those who honor him as 'authority' seem to ignore his conspicuous past...how difficult is it to find out? Truth is often just a web-search away; why then didn't/don't people bother is anyone's guess...
John Bear also publicly advertised offering 'second hand glory' to anyone able to help him sell his books...

Thomas Chip White (owner of degreeinfo ) is a gay teen pornographer and self-proclaimed medical therapist suggesting the use of coffee enemas to treat serious illness...the man apparently has no university degree soever...but may have wished to bury his less than presentable activities under a veneer of respectability playing the online crusader against degree mills...who might take him seriously if not people with equally embarrassing backgrounds?
Truth is often just a web-search away; why then didn't/don't people bother is anyone's guess...

<<Gregg DesElms spills his guts in a hurry. "I have the dubious distinction,"
he explains five minutes into a phone conversation, "of being probably one of the
nation's foremost experts on massage parlors, specifically the Oriental version.
I'm one of the few anglo males who has been on the inside of those places. That
is because for three years, I was on an emotional roller coaster with a woman
who is with one of them. I thought I could help her change her life and go on to
bigger and better things.">>.
Still days ago a member of the 'online distance authorities clique' questioned how can this site make such claims about him. Answer: because he admitted to it himself to the press!
Truth is often just a web-search away; why then didn't/don't people bother is anyone's guess...

Each and every one of the clique members has things that he'd better keep secret and the whole brotherhood is kept together by this covenant of covering up for one another...until it lasts.

Since details are readily available, we are left to speculate how much did anyone know of the others' 'secrets'...did they share the same vices? Did they just turn a blind eye in exchange for the same? Did they accept one another because none would take them seriously? Was it a mere cynical power play?
Who knows...

Jambo Wrote:I am shocked to read the quotes from the more obscene posts the Uncle must have made.

I am quite sure that the sexual reference attributed to Janko in this thread are not his. They are someone pretending to be him.

Jambo Wrote:That story with gay teen porn is, IMHO, the worst one could read about a person involved in Christian ministry.

To be fair, he posted at an education website, degreeinfo, which is owned by someone who also produces and sells gay pornography.

Dennis Ruhl Wrote:

Jambo Wrote:That story with gay teen porn is, IMHO, the worst one could read about a person involved in Christian ministry.

To be fair, he posted at an education website, degreeinfo, which is owned by someone who also produces and sells gay pornography.

Normally, users posting on such a site cannot be held responsible for what the owner does. But even then, a minister of the gospel that the Uncle obviously was should be careful to associate with such a person once he is aware of it.
It is like with ignoring certain neo-nazis in Germany or elsewhere - resist the beginnings.
Anyway, I am quite shocked what kind of people pinpoint their finger towards other people when they, at the same time, are not as "clean" as they pretend to be - in academic or other matters.

ham Wrote:

Quote:That story with gay teen porn is, IMHO, the worst one could read about a person involved in Christian ministry. Really shocking. Was there no pastoral oversight to stop him? What a shame! I would take it as a good example of what should NOT happen in Christian ministry. If I had been the bishop of such a person, I would have ordered him to refrain from any such activities and/or associations with immediate effect or to leave. Very simple; the integrity of Christian Ministry would be at risk if something like this would be allowed to happen!

As I said, people in the 'wild bunch' of online distance 'authorities' uncle Janko associated himself with had closets literally packed with skeletons.
The best known, dr. John Bear , operated/owned/promoted a series of unaccredited schools he now calls degree mills; his best explanation is that -at worst- his attempts shall be construed as a 'lark'...
John Bear 's exploits have appeared in print as this site shows, but most of those who honor him as 'authority' seem to ignore his conspicuous past...how difficult is it to find out? Truth is often just a web-search away; why then didn't/don't people bother is anyone's guess...
John Bear also publicly advertised offering 'second hand glory' to anyone able to help him sell his books...

Thomas Chip White (owner of degreeinfo ) is a gay teen pornographer and self-proclaimed medical therapist suggesting the use of coffee enemas to treat serious illness...the man apparently has no university degree soever...but may have wished to bury his less than presentable activities under a veneer of respectability playing the online crusader against degree mills...who might take him seriously if not people with equally embarrassing backgrounds?
Truth is often just a web-search away; why then didn't/don't people bother is anyone's guess...

<<Gregg DesElms spills his guts in a hurry. "I have the dubious distinction,"
he explains five minutes into a phone conversation, "of being probably one of the
nation's foremost experts on massage parlors, specifically the Oriental version.
I'm one of the few anglo males who has been on the inside of those places. That
is because for three years, I was on an emotional roller coaster with a woman
who is with one of them. I thought I could help her change her life and go on to
bigger and better things.">>.
Still days ago a member of the 'online distance authorities clique' questioned how can this site make such claims about him. Answer: because he admitted to it himself to the press!
Truth is often just a web-search away; why then didn't/don't people bother is anyone's guess...

Each and every one of the clique members has things that he'd better keep secret and the whole brotherhood is kept together by this covenant of covering up for one another...until it lasts.

Since details are readily available, we are left to speculate how much did anyone know of the others' 'secrets'...did they share the same vices? Did they just turn a blind eye in exchange for the same? Did they accept one another because none would take them seriously? Was it a mere cynical power play?
Who knows...

I had seen some of John Bear´s postings in the degreediscussion board in connection what the Uncle posted with his accusations against IFTS and me. If that is really true what has been posted about John Bear, then he is not much better than the Uncle in this respect - pinpointing his finger towards other people while at the same time the real dirt is in his hands.
Should we wonder? It happens, Man is far from perfect, and always is fallible.
I can only conclude the following from such more shocking "revelations": In a modern world where topics such as ethical behaviour, responsiblity, sincerety etc, are less popular, the concepts of the latter have to be focused on again and be brought to general attention.

Quote:Normally, users posting on such a site cannot be held responsible for what the owner does.

Normally, yes.
But the clique members claim(ed) to go on a first name basis, to know one another in real life and to  orchestrate their character assassination campaigns as a team.
Alan Contreras, a public figure vested with public duties is credited with claiming to rely (in part or as a whole, who knows ) on degreeinfo for the information he then divulged under the seal of the Oregon government.
Let's not even mention mr. Contreras' 'funny' side or personal details he may or may not be comfortable with debating publicly, yet you see how the hearsay and factoids collected on a website owned by a gay teen pornographer (who peddles his porn sites in very graphic terms on queer boards ) become 'government evidence', as many states with even lazier bureau rats just copied the Oregon list.
Now...how much does/did Alan Contreras know about the people whose work he esteemed so good to use it as his own?
You'll notice that George Brown - an 'educational consultant' from Australia and formerly involved with the dearly expensive fiasco of a dodgy hospitality school - at some point claimed on his website <<HigherEd Consulting has been appointed as the Australasian principal evaluator for the Office of Degree Authorisation, State of Oregon, United States of America>>.
http://www.dltruth.com/showthread.php?tid=36
George Brown is another pundit in the clique...Oregon means Alan Contreras...did Contreras 'accredit' Brown? If so, in which capacity? According to which law? Or did George Brown merely 'push the envelope' counting on the appeasement of his online friends to boost his private enterprise?
Didn't doctor George Gollin find that suspicious enough to involve his allegedly  high-ranking DEA/CIA/NSA/FATF contacts into the investigation of this bizarre case of international accreditation?
Funny enough, the "Oregon accredited" mention later disappeared from Brown's site...quietly and without tabloid reporters bothering, eh?!

ham Wrote:

Quote:Normally, users posting on such a site cannot be held responsible for what the owner does.

Normally, yes.
But the clique members claim(ed) to go on a first name basis, to know one another in real life and to  orchestrate their character assassination campaigns as a team.
Alan Contreras, a public figure vested with public duties is credited with claiming to rely (in part or as a whole, who knows ) on degreeinfo for the information he then divulged under the seal of the Oregon government.
Let's not even mention mr. Contreras' 'funny' side or personal details he may or may not be comfortable with debating publicly, yet you see how the hearsay and factoids collected on a website owned by a gay teen pornographer (who peddles his porn sites in very graphic terms on queer boards ) become 'government evidence', as many states with even lazier bureau rats just copied the Oregon list.
Now...how much does/did Alan Contreras know about the people whose work he esteemed so good to use it as his own?
You'll notice that George Brown - an 'educational consultant' from Australia and formerly involved with the dearly expensive fiasco of a dodgy hospitality school - at some point claimed on his website <<HigherEd Consulting has been appointed as the Australasian principal evaluator for the Office of Degree Authorisation, State of Oregon, United States of America>>.
http://www.dltruth.com/showthread.php?tid=36
George Brown is another pundit in the clique...Oregon means Alan Contreras...did Contreras 'accredit' Brown? If so, in which capacity? According to which law? Or did George Brown merely 'push the envelope' counting on the appeasement of his online friends to boost his private enterprise?
Didn't doctor George Gollin find that suspicious enough to involve his allegedly  high-ranking DEA/CIA/NSA/FATF contacts into the investigation of this bizarre case of international accreditation?
Funny enough, the "Oregon accredited" mention later disappeared from Brown's site...quietly and without tabloid reporters bothering, eh?!

Yes, I have no problem to agree with everything you say. It would be quite a dirty setup ("outfit") if all this was true.
I consider myself a victim of the Uncle and his aides from degreediscussion. com (Bill Grover and some other people whom I would call the "Zululand uni" clique), and they have really tried to do damage to my ministry in spreading false accusations, rumours and personal insults against me over the internet. I have had some sleepless nights because of them, but in the end it did not have all the negative effects on my ministry that I was afraid of.
In this emotional situation, as natural and understandable it may be, I must also be careful to become unfair and unreasonable and by doing so to get down to the same questionable level as they might have done.

Personally, I would not accept any excuses for what these people did - according to your reports, they are dishonest people not worthy of any basic trust. If they deceive other people, then we have to know in order to be able to weigh their words and to decide whether we can take them seriously or not. But I also feel I do not have the right to condemn or judge them personally; rather, we should condemn the evil things they might do and do everything to prevent other people from being negatively effected by it/them - by spreading the word about what they are doing.

I do not feel in any way superior to those people including the Uncle and his aides in the light of their evil actions. I am just happy that there are no such people around in the ministry I am involved and that we have been granted the privilege to do something useful in training other people. We have so far never had any such amount of problems with illegal and evil actions on the part of students, staff and faculty.
And I feel I can fully trust and rely on the other people I am working with; we have all the support we can get from the most honourable and good people around at Nations University. If so, we have much more than we might deserve on our own merits,and we feel blessed and deeply grateful for it. Considered in this light, all these other folks trying to cause embarassment and all other kinds of negative things, are "poorer" than us as they most likely do not gain the same blessings and satisfaction we have from the things they are involved in.

There is a lesson from things as these: If you act like the Uncle and his clique, you really do damage to yourself, and there is nothing to gain but everything to lose - spiritually as well as psychologically.

Have a great day!

I think IFTS and NationsUniversity are wonderful schools bringing an education to those underserved because of economics. I speak as an MRS graduate of NationsUniversity and a current MMin student. In a perfect world all schools would have proper resources to provide an equal education to everyone regardless of whether they live in Africa, Asia, or the US. The world isn't perfect. I think it was an extremely cheap shot to belittle these schools based solely on innuendo. If there were even specific criticisms they could be addressed there might be a case but none were offered.

These schools rely on volunteer and missionary efforts to better the plight of Africa. The academic staff of NationsUniversity all have as good of credentials as those at most schools. The reason for this is that they are mostly on the academic staffs of accredited brick and mortar schools. While an American at a brick and mortar school must pay dearly for the expertise of such people, it is available for free through NationsUniversity.

Uncle Janko and Bill Grover, Americans, used scarce African state university resources to obtain advanced degrees. Was an African denied the opportunity to obtain his doctorate and pursue an academic career? I know what Dr. Schmidt, IFTS, and NationsUniversity has done for Africa. I don't know what Janko and Grover have done.

The only person in the world that I have ever seen criticize Dr. Schmidt was Janko and, of course, he never provided any reasons or indeed any actual criticism that could be refuted. It was all about belittling. To repeat, Dr. Schmidt has a top degree from one of the best universities in Germany. That simply cannot be refuted, try as you may. He has dozens of publications and books. Again that cannot be refuted.

With Janko's thesis at the University of Zululand, I think he was taking the last kick at the can after being in a few doctoral programs. As his largest previous efforts were in Classics and Latin, I think he tried to take the familiar and combine them with a new Confucianist twist to please Dr. Song his Zululand advisor who is ethnically Chinese ergo we get a seemingly incomprensible thesis topic. I don't know that he simply rewrote his previous work, probably just drawing on the base of knowledge. It is certainly an odd topic for a ThD, relating pagan Rome to Confucian China but academics often love work that combines fields. I might have questions about whether he had sufficient doctoral level knowledge of Chinese culture to have successfully pulled it off.

Speaking ill of the dead? In life Janko created collateral damage and if I can help some people get through it, I'm doing good. As I have pointed out, Janko did not debate fairly. He would never state a case, choosing the attack instead of reason. We were supposed to be in awe of his great wisdom and intellect and trust his opinion. Well he was often wrong. That's as simple as it gets.

I just looked at the IFTS graduates in Kenya. They all seem to have African names.

I think part of the problem is that the criticizers, all Americans, are a bit xenophobic. If everything isn't done just like back home, it isn't valid. By their reasoning a religious degree isn't valid without government accreditation whereas most governments of the world, my provincial jurisdiction Alberta included, will not accredit schools offering strictly religious degrees.

The politics of many countries, Kenya included I'm sure, means they have to avoid the appearance of favoring one group over another. The first time a degree granting Muslim religious school in the United States is refused accreditation, the whole system of government recognized accreditation of religious schools will fall. I don't know why it has lasted so long.

From degreediscussion:

by Bill on Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:04 pm

If Unk's work at UZ is in question, I suggest that his promoter , Prof Arthur Song, be contacted at UZ or SATS. Song has emailed me that Unk's dissertation was very well done. Were Unk's process at UZ similar to mine, then external examiners from other SA public unis would have had to pass Unk's work. I think I'll believe these!


I'm sure Janko's thesis is just fine, odd for a ThD, but fine. I'm sure they found examiners conversant in both Cicero and Confucius, that's a wide open specialty combo, is it not? Like Kung Pow Pizza? As an aside, in the politics of doctorates, anything is possible.