03-07-2012, 09:19 PM
(03-07-2012, 05:21 PM)Virtual Bison Wrote: The school of which I am most familiar is Kennedy-Western. That was an extremely successful college which emphasised business and engineering programs.
"Successful" is a relative term that you have not defined, but being shut or kicked out by four state governments might not be on the criteria list.
Quote:And the accreditation mafia shot the works to bring it down.
What's the basis for this statement? The accreditors had nothing to do with it. California, Hawaii, Idaho, and Wyoming each sent it packing. The DETC turned it down (if you can't make the cut at DETC....), but that didn't shut down the school.
Kennedy-Western was established in 1982 under California's very lax Authorized category. It never got its programs Approved. When California eliminated its Authorized category, Kennedy-Western went license shopping to each of those other states, all the while continuing to operate from Southern California. It could have--theoretically--gotten state approval and continued to operate without bothering with DETC. But its academic performance was so bad as to not even be able to rise above that low bar.
Quote:I believe that there are many others which got thrown under a bus as well. There are a number of others which get a bad rap even though they are challenging to students. I believe that Breyer State University is one such school. Maybe American InterContinental University though I believe it is now accredited. Rocheville University seems to be a popular school at the moment but I cannot say whether or not its legitimate. The accreditation mafia likes to bash it but knowing how those assholes opperate they might be picking on it because its making money.
Unaccredited schools that run into trouble invariably do so with their state agencies, not with accrediting agencies. In fact, accredited schools are the ones who fear the accreditors. There are many examples of unaccredited schools operating for decades without a sniff from accrediting agencies. In fact, it was DETC's really low standards that changed the dynamic, giving operations like SCUPS, AJU, and CCU a chance at redemption, which they took. Kennedy-Western tried the same thing, but failed.
Quote:Schools whic are substandard and accredited are rather numerous. I attended PCCI and got a certificate in an area. This school is now called Ashworth College. It is accredited and yadda yadda yadda but the correspondence course I took was extremely easy. A lot of the for profit online schools have gotten bad reviews from various students. I believe that Charter Oak School which awards degrees through examination is not all that great. I am sure there are others on this board who can tell you more.
Anecdotes--unsupported by any evidence and riddled with undefined terms--are fine for conversation, but they prove very little. And even if we accept them at face value and give them weight, what of it? Here's the paradox: you're proving the opposite point. After all, if becoming accredited is no big deal and allows such poor examples of schools, what does that say about the schools that can't even make that low standard? If, as you say, Charter Oak (a state college) is "not all that great," what does it say about the schools in your post?
