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RE: How to find State licensed doctorates - Little Arminius - 10-27-2008
Dennis Ruhl Wrote:ShotoJuku Wrote:Thanks for the input Dennis, let me boldly ask (your opinion)......based on what you have observed.....would you consider Breyer State a mill or simply unaccredited?
Yes I have one - an opinion that is. I am unsure about BSU but I suspect that it is an unaccredited school that takes some shortcuts. I also suspect that a reasonably substantial amount of work would be required to earn a degree.
BSU wouldn't be on my list of choices. I like some of the pre-sunset California approved schools such as California Southern U. and California Pacific U.
Five years ago when I enrolled in my then unaccredited California Coast U. program the cost for a combined masters/doctoral program was $5,000. Since then similar programs seem to have doubled or tripled.
If South African schools can work, they would be a good choice. All your eggs are in one basket. Your success or failure depends on one project, your thesis, supervised by one supervisor with his unique opinions and psychological warts. I don't know if South African universities are as keyed to student success as American schools.
That is certainly true at both the masters and doctoral level in South African universities. In fact, there is no "taught" doctorate with formal coursework as we know it in North America regardless of whether the degree is done part-time or full-time. The full-time doctoral students simply conduct their research and write full-time, have better access to the university resources and more direct contact with their supervisor. Whether you receive a doctorate or not hinges on the acceptance of your thesis - that's the SA system and it's not very flexible. (as opposed to the U.S./Canadian systems)
That attitude tends to permeate the SA higher educational system. They are not very concerned with any single student's academic success although political pressure has caused some changes. (UNISA study centres for undergrads, for example) This isn't suprising since virtually all the profs and lecturers came up through this same system.
RE: How to find State licensed doctorates - ShotoJuku - 10-27-2008
Dennis Ruhl Wrote:ShotoJuku Wrote:Thanks for the input Dennis, let me boldly ask (your opinion)......based on what you have observed.....would you consider Breyer State a mill or simply unaccredited?
Yes I have one - an opinion that is. I am unsure about BSU but I suspect that it is an unaccredited school that takes some shortcuts. I also suspect that a reasonably substantial amount of work would be required to earn a degree.
BSU wouldn't be on my list of choices. I like some of the pre-sunset California approved schools such as California Southern U. and California Pacific U.
I've looked at both CSU (SCUps) and CPU before. It looks like CSU is undergoing DETC review at present. The cost of their program (for me) is a little prohibitive. As for CPU, they look interesting and are much more affordable (again for me).
Yet we still arrive back at square one - all three, BSU, CSU, AND CPU are all unaccredited; some would call them ALL mills......but are they?
RE: How to find State licensed doctorates - ShotoJuku - 10-27-2008
Little Arminius Wrote:.......I don't know if South African universities are as keyed to student success as American schools.
.......Whether you receive a doctorate or not hinges on the acceptance of your thesis - that's the SA system and it's not very flexible......
That attitude tends to permeate the SA higher educational system. They are not very concerned with any single student's academic success although political pressure has caused some changes.....
Makes you wonder if all the grief is worth it......life can be too short!