Who is on "our" side?

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Taking a test is not the same as learning in a classroom. It doesn't really matter how difficult the test is. It's not a learning experience.

Are you discarding DE because it doesn't take place in a classroom?
You are free to have your opinion.
I am glad I can do without classrooms...they never added anything to my learning. Nothing. Of course others may think otherwise.

I want to do more than just talk about it. I want to take action.

You want decent unaccredited degrees to gain mainstream acceptance, but you cannot even describe what constitutes a 'decent' school... a 'decent' curriculum, a 'decent' amount of required work, a 'decent' level of evaluation for one are 'indecent' for others...is a five pages paper enough, or is a twenty pages paper enough?

The government wants to control you, but most 'educational entrepreneurs' are just ruthless conpeople who care only about money piling up in a Belize account. They are going to put up a show to insure your money goes their way. If the show is good, good; if the show is bad, well as long as the cheque clears...

As far as action goes, you'll find many groups barking up individual trees in the education forest, but I doubt they are interested in killing the system and facing off statism. One thing is to give big brother and its cronies their iota of adrenaline finger pointing them as crooks over the issue of smoking in public places...another is to really mean harm to them. Much as with 'controversial items' and 'sacred cows' relating to WWII, one thing is for a scholar to publish the occasional, unspecific tirade or the occasional controversial view hiding low...if a scholar really means business, it means early retirement, unemployment and lots of trouble. Never for a moment think they are going to let the billions worth of B&M contracts slip from their hand. People kill one another to steal 20$...

DE/DL will make inroads slowly...waiting for the occasional revolution to happen.