07-18-2007, 01:11 AM
(This post was last modified: 07-18-2007, 01:16 AM by Randall Flagg.)
More like seven years ago. But the truth has no expiration dates. Unfortunately we can't trust Bear to be telling the truth. He tells the same story too many different ways.
"They had claimed accreditation from an unrecognized agency for many years, but dropped it a few years ago. They are about as reputable as an unaccredited school can be. However it all depends on what you want to make of the degree...and where you live. For instance CCU degrees have almost no acceptance in the academic world, either in or outside of California. There is better acceptance in the business world, but, I think, not nearly as high as schools with recognized accreditation. And in some states, such as Oregon, New Jersey, and North Dakota, use of of CCU degree is a criminal offense, subjecting the user to a stiff fine and up to six months in prison."
--John Bear--AED--2003
In 1996 John Bear listed CCU as one of the twelve "Good Unaccredited Schools" giving it a good write-up in his book, College Degrees by Mail 100 Accredited Schools. page-167
"But it remains the case that many, many folks' needs can be filled by degrees from the more reputable unaccredited schools."
--John Bear--College Degrees by Mail--page 165--1996
"On one visit to Cal. Coast, when it was owned and run by its founder, Thomas Neal, I noted, in the library room, some dissertations on open shelves and others in locked glass fronted cases. I asked Dr.* Neal about this. In a burst of candor, he told me that the ones in the locked cases were those they were embarrassed about, but had to keep on display for when students came to visit."
* His two Ph.D.'s from California Coast.
--John Bear--AED--Dec. 13, 1999
In 1996 good, by 1999, well, you see. He even makes sure to hit Thomas Neal on where his degrees are from. High esteem from Bear today, not likely. I have not seen anything to make me think this. But I hardly see how someone saying "it's excellent/good, oh no it's bad /a joke, hey it's good again", all in a span of 5-10 years is a sign of sincerity and judgement. And how in the hell does one choose a school based on these shifting moods and desires of the speaker. And that is what we are talking about, the needs and wants of the author, not the students. He's more like a man saying what best fits the immediate situation and location, tell them what they want to hear.
"They had claimed accreditation from an unrecognized agency for many years, but dropped it a few years ago. They are about as reputable as an unaccredited school can be. However it all depends on what you want to make of the degree...and where you live. For instance CCU degrees have almost no acceptance in the academic world, either in or outside of California. There is better acceptance in the business world, but, I think, not nearly as high as schools with recognized accreditation. And in some states, such as Oregon, New Jersey, and North Dakota, use of of CCU degree is a criminal offense, subjecting the user to a stiff fine and up to six months in prison."
--John Bear--AED--2003
In 1996 John Bear listed CCU as one of the twelve "Good Unaccredited Schools" giving it a good write-up in his book, College Degrees by Mail 100 Accredited Schools. page-167
"But it remains the case that many, many folks' needs can be filled by degrees from the more reputable unaccredited schools."
--John Bear--College Degrees by Mail--page 165--1996
"On one visit to Cal. Coast, when it was owned and run by its founder, Thomas Neal, I noted, in the library room, some dissertations on open shelves and others in locked glass fronted cases. I asked Dr.* Neal about this. In a burst of candor, he told me that the ones in the locked cases were those they were embarrassed about, but had to keep on display for when students came to visit."
* His two Ph.D.'s from California Coast.
--John Bear--AED--Dec. 13, 1999
In 1996 good, by 1999, well, you see. He even makes sure to hit Thomas Neal on where his degrees are from. High esteem from Bear today, not likely. I have not seen anything to make me think this. But I hardly see how someone saying "it's excellent/good, oh no it's bad /a joke, hey it's good again", all in a span of 5-10 years is a sign of sincerity and judgement. And how in the hell does one choose a school based on these shifting moods and desires of the speaker. And that is what we are talking about, the needs and wants of the author, not the students. He's more like a man saying what best fits the immediate situation and location, tell them what they want to hear.
James
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