Maybe YOU guys know something. I don't think so.

[Hogwasher]

A good opinion based on the facts is fine, as is this.  UOP is substandard, obviously.

"opinion based on facts"

"Obviously"

Oh yes, these are so convincing. I can just see you taking these damning bullets into a congressional hearing to prove your point.

Let's do this right. Document them. Get them here so we can see the links to the primary sources.

I gotta tell you, it's clear that none of you yokels could ever write a real PhD thesis. You're clueless about how to make an argument and substantiate it.

Now do prove me wrong, it'd be helpful to see real information.

[Hogwasher]

(1) You got what you requested. An accredited school selling degrees for money minus work. The smoke was the selling and the using.
(2) Oh, yes it does. Phoney degrees were sold, so the school was milling.

You know, you're an idiot, plain and simple.

A teller steals money from a bank cash drawer. Does that mean the BANK is stealing from its customers?

Imagine going into a hearing to make your case about Touro being a mill.

You: "Yes, Senator, a corrupt administrator was selling credentials. Touro is a bad school."

Senator: "But Touro discovered the fraud and alerted the authorities, That doesn't sound like a systematic pattern of fraud known to the upper administration of the school."

You: "Umm umm umm... ask my friend Dr. Duck. He knows fowl activities when he sees them."

Senator: "You mean foul, don't you?"

You: "No, Dr. D only knows about birds."

Get me some data, backed by links to primary sources.

[ham]

A teller steals money from a bank cash drawer. Does that mean the BANK is stealing from its customers?

you commit fallacy of equivocation, where one same word means different things at different points in the same discourse...what is a university?
Sure enough, the physical buildings did no harm; it wasn't the football coach, either...perhaps the registered nurse? Naah...or some honorary member of the university's senate? Neither.
You had high officials in the admission office & IT department.
As a result, you had a Touro degree, with parchment & seal, not just a scrap of paper with some IT technician's signature.
There are a few key positions in a university that can compromise the whole.
Say what you will, but the university allowed it to happens and put its seal on it.
Here a bank recently nearly forfeited and was taken over by another bank.
They lost a fortune because corrupted top managers lent huge amounts to fraudulent companies, which let them high and dry.
As a result, the bank had to undergo takeover and shareholders were not paid dividends for 3 years.
So i ask you...did the "bank" do that to the shareholders, or just a couple corrupted bureucrats, including the president?
I think the bank did that...none ever copped out, no council or advisor ever found anything suspicious...but the day the scandal hit the press, they too reported wrongdoing to the police.

[Randall Flagg]

Now let me see a school pays low wages, hires unqualified people, and then tries to run away when those people start slipping degrees out the side door, changing transcripts, altering grades and it hardly matters which of the crooks pushes them through the opening, only that someone does. Because when they do they all are at blame the man who did the selling and the man who hired him, and failed to do proper followup.

AS we have proved. Accredited schools are pumping out substandard degrees by the thousands, and even milling them. And that is only what we know about. One can imagine the boneheads like Douglas running around purporting to have actual college degree skills when they have done in months what should have taken years.

It's a sad thing that Hoglicker refuses to accept his shame for obviously being involved with these very substandard RA schools, but he is in denial. He has degrees from schools that a Harvard grad wouldn't bother to puke on.

[Randall Flagg]

I agree.
But any way this is very small minority.
Majority of RA, NA schools are excellent and if there is a rotten apple some where its very rare.

But this is only what you believe, not what you have researched and proven. In fact accredited schools are pumping out low quality degrees to morons like Douglas who have to find work as security guards in prisons. Now ask yuorself this question. Why would Douglas as a 19 year old teenager have used a school like Excelsior (distance education) rather than attend a real school. Maybe that it was so easy and that he was not quite your typical young adult. That he had a troubled youth is beyond question. That he now is a troubled adult is even more evident. He spent all the money he could scratch up to do these God awful degres that no one respects and that no legitiamate employer will accept as decent education.

"Here  is our new guard, Dr. Rich Douglas." He have up 300k, no it was 350k, no, come to think of it, it was over 350k to work for us."

Now take a look and see how many Excelsior grads with nothing but Excelsior degrees are teaching at any college.  Douglas got four degrees in less than two years and has to work at jobs any community college graduate could obtain. That boob hasn't made more than 50k in his life and spends his days defending his terrible choices and trying to convince a few dozen people at discussion groups that he is a real life success and an academic. When this clown looks in the mirror, he knows different.

[Randall Flagg]

And some more:

Teacher colleges turn out poorly trained graduates.

"There has to be something wrong if you go to college and get B's and C's and then can't pass these exams," said Willie Davis, superintendent in Ford Heights, where five out of 22 teachers tested since 1988 failed one or more tests.

In high-poverty, high-minority and low-achiving districts, as many as 24 percent of teachers tested failed one or more."
--Chicago Sun Times  

Yes, sir, these accredited colleges are really turning out some fine graduates, sometimes.  Maybe we had better make sure they can read and write before they are handed the diplomas.

[DR ANATIDAE]

Dr. Duck, get me the information. You say it exists, you say the pawn shop that sold you your degree isn't any worse than some RA schools. But you'd choke on a feather duster before you'd actually assemble any documentation of facts regarding RA schools. Make your case. Being a twit isn't the same thing as making a case. Get me some FACTS and document them. Until you do that, you're just a hack who wrote a report and bought a degree. Get me facts, don't just say that somewhere in the ether there lie some facts and you're too busy to remember where you put them.

RCD, Randall has already supplied you with some real facts and I've provided you with a list of accredited universities that have been referred to as 'mills'. If you were capable of researching the subject yourself you will perhaps learn more - and hopefully benefit from the experience. But this is unlikely! But why not start your 'research' with Union Institute? On top of that you could even read your dissertation!
And, in respect of KU you would be totally incapable of ever reaching the KU degree entry requirements.

[DR ANATIDAE]

But this is only what you believe, not what you have researched and proven. In fact accredited schools are pumping out low quality degrees to morons like Douglas who have to find work as security guards in prisons. Now ask yuorself this question. Why would Douglas as a 19 year old teenager have used a school like Excelsior (distance education) rather than attend a real school. Maybe that it was so easy and that he was not quite your typical young adult. That he had a troubled youth is beyond question. That he now is a troubled adult is even more evident. He spent all the money he could scratch up to do these God awful degres that no one respects and that no legitiamate employer will accept as decent education.
"Here  is our new guard, Dr. Rich Douglas." He have up 300k, no it was 350k, no, come to think of it, it was over 350k to work for us."
Now take a look and see how many Excelsior grads with nothing but Excelsior degrees are teaching at any college.  Douglas got four degrees in less than two years and has to work at jobs any community college graduate could obtain. That boob hasn't made more than 50k in his life and spends his days defending his terrible choices and trying to convince a few dozen people at discussion groups that he is a real life success and an academic. When this clown looks in the mirror, he knows different.

We also have documented evidence from RCD's "Walter Mitty" impersonated memoirs about how he won the war!!!

[Ben Johnson]

I gotta tell you, it's clear that none of you yokels could ever write a real PhD thesis. You're clueless about how to make an argument and substantiate it.

It just might be Needle-Dick Douglas but also has a Levikesque ring.

[Ben Johnson]

It just might be Needle-Dick Douglas but also has a Levikesque ring.

Did TESC, Excelsior and Union make the list??