Academia's Top Abuses of 2008
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Dennis Ruhl Wrote:I've always wondered why conservatives get the credit for producing Fascists and Nazis.  National Socialists were simply what they declared themslves to be, socialists.  While free enterprise was the economic system it was tightly controlled.  The quote myself, it was like Sweden with death camps.  I had some long forgotten educator say that said they only called themselves socialists to fool the people.  Ridiculous.  The true German conservatives, the monarchists suffered under the Nazis.  Liberals are much more likely to employ Nazi tactics than conservatives.

First of all, Fascism was a strict byproduct of WWI and its terrible effects and consequences. Both in Italy and Germany bloody 'communist revolutions' took place (called biennio rosso in Italy and 'Republic of the councils' in Bavaria. Council is soviet and Nazis started in Bavaria ), so no wonder the reaction went in the opposite direction.
I never said 'conservatives'...conservative parties almost everywhere are just the empty wagons of a travelling show to support status quo.
I said 'ultra-conservative' IDEAS.
Codreanu's Romanian fascism revolved around pure christian religious mysticism.
The REX party in Belgium evolved out of Catholic youth organizations, but at some point the Church preferred the old parties that were leaning towards the far left, much like it was happening back then in France & Spain.

What counts, however, is that you cannot finger point an idea (ultra-conservatism ) and brainwash the masses into identifying that with the ultimate evil AND then do the same at home.
Again: you cry foul over GERMAN race laws, but want to keep segregation and outlaw or invalidate interracial marriages?
You want to expose the horror of ultra-religious ideas in Fascism and call it 'bigotry' AND at the same time you want to claim that YOUR fundamentalist preachers are fine?


The 'socialist' after the 'national' referred to old-school, non-marxist interpretations. There was a huge fraction, though, that pushed more advanced social policies more in tune with the small bourgeoisie and upper working class, made of former communist and social activists in northern Germany (the brothers Strasser so to speak ) and that hated the great capital...they were first intimidated out of party congress, then murdered into silence.
It was no longer marxism, but wanted to muzzle the big capital...which Hitler had desperately courted.
There was a famous article to that effect before the massacre:'Socialists leave NSDAP'.
Ernst Roehm, head of the SA, was murdered because they said he was gay. I have no idea, but most Nazi leaders were involved in 'sexual magic'. Roehm, the Strassers and the populist SA, though, disliked flirting with the big capital and old aristocrats in the military, but Hitler had to appease them and thus murdered the very men who had brought him in power.
Mussolini followed the same trajectory sending many fascist maximalists in exile or confinement, who'll resurface after the 1943 debacle.
A.A Mole University
B.A London Institute of Applied Research
B.Sc Millard Fillmore
M.A International Institute for Advanced Studies
Ph.D London Institute of Applied Research
Ph.D Millard Fillmore
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