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Stop the trolling - RespectableGent - 04-30-2010
http://www.dailyorange.com/2.8657/officials-work-to-prevent-diploma-mills-1.1247137
"The Daily Orange" purports that Hamilton University did not exist when it, in fact, did. Its campus existed in a refurbished hotel and employed a small faculty.
"The Daily Orange" also suggests that Laura Callahan purchased her degree when she, in fact, did not. Callahan wrote a dissertation, in addition to some other assignments.
People will lazily write "but it was a mere 2,000 words" without providing solutions for how long a doctoral dissertation should be. 5,000 words? 10,000? 20,000? After asking this question these idiots will make an immediate U-Turn and change songs claiming "it doesn't matter how long it is, it matters who's grading it." Oh, so I guess "little or no" was just a smokescreen and didn't really matter.
Without such solutions any Ezell/Gollin prick wannabe complaining about "diploma mills" is a mere troll and ignoramus, slandering institutions and putting themselves at risk for lawsuits.
When the CHEA conspires to publish these articles it hurts all distance learning institutions. For example, after hearing about "diploma mills" users interested in attending University of Phoenix Online will do some Google searches and find that various people have called it a diploma mill and then not sign up to save their own reputation, or those already attending may drop out, thinking "oh, it's one of those."
RE: Stop the trolling - Winston Smith - 04-30-2010
RespectableGent Wrote:"The Daily Orange"
Consider the source--it's a college newspaper. A B&M private RA college with a billion dollar endowment to protect. The school doesn't want their little leftist dopes to be doing too much original thinking. Just keep parroting the party line, and don't let the facts get in the way of the story. Oh, and keep sending those tuition checks too.
And since they also have a couple hundred million dollar physical facility to protect, it doesn't break their hearts at all if some online college gets dumped on in the bargain. Especially a very successful for-profit one like UoP that makes more money than they do.
These socialist tools like Ezell and Collins are too dim to realize they are being used as propagandists by the wealthy higher ed cartel.
RE: Stop the trolling - RespectableGent - 05-06-2010
I don't particularly see how any school or organization calling attention to the issue of "degree mills" helps anyone. Here's how the typical conversation goes:
CHEA/ODA: Beware of Degree Mills!
Public: What's a Degree Mill?
CHEA/ODA: Well... It's hard to say...
Public: Oh...
I'm afraid doing such a thing just puts degree mills in a positive light, and alerts the degree-hungry general public to the fact that there may, indeed, be a quick and easy path to a legal degree. Also, those seeking to avoid degree mills may avoid or drop out of their Capella/Walden-type RA university after reading about them being "degree mills".
Take a look at the CHEA's latest publication: http://www.chea.org/pdf/degree_mills_effective_practice.pdf
They want to "come up with a working definition of degree mills" and also want to "regularly alert the public and media" about them. It's sort of hard to alert the public about something you can't even define.
A school which allows you to test out of its classes, is that a degree mill?
A school which wants a 20 page dissertation, is that a degree mill?
Low quality courses over a period of five months, is that a degree mill?
Too few assignments? How few?
How about the fact that at Excelsior College (RA) you can earn a degree in under three hours? Must be a degree mill, right?
This bullshit has been going on and on for the last several hundred years. I've found articles about "degree mills" and "diploma mills" dating back to the early 1800's. Obviously if these dumb-fuck professors at the CHEA can't quantify what is and is not a degree mill, the general public isn't going to do anything about them, let alone be able to identify one, so why let them know about "degree mills"?