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University of Phoenix - Randall Flagg - 05-17-2007
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/11/education/11phoenix.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5088&en=5c8573d57de4bffe&ex=1328850000
"Students have complained about instructional shortcuts, unqualified professors, and recruiting abuses."
"The graduation rates for the University of Phoenix is 16%."
"Graduation rates at the Southern California campus is 6%, 4% among online students."
---NY Times
Unqualified instructors, well, they hired Douglas and Bruce Tait/ nuff said.
Graduation rates are horrible, about at the level of Herriot Watt. It's not enough to just throw this stuff out there and say get it or don't. It is up to the school to get this stuff right and to help students get through the material and reach graduation. Schools like UOP are no more than profit makers for the owners. Do us a favor guys, go sell used cars and leave DL to the experts like California Coast University. CCU does give a damn if you graduate and have success in life. It may not be Harvard but you can go much farther with a degree from CCU than with an empty bank account thanks to UOP, and no degrees.
RE: University of Phoenix - Brian Crawford - 05-17-2007
Randall Flagg Wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/11/education/11phoenix.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5088&en=5c8573d57de4bffe&ex=1328850000
"Students have complained about instructional shortcuts, unqualified professors, and recruiting abuses."
"The graduation rates for the University of Phoenix is 16%."
"Graduation rates at the Southern California campus is 6%, 4% among online students."
---NY Times
Unqualified instructors, well, they hired Douglas and Bruce Tait/ nuff said.
Graduation rates are horrible, about at the level of Herriot Watt. It's not enough to just throw this stuff out there and say get it or don't. It is up to the school to get this stuff right and to help students get through the material and reach graduation. Schools like UOP are no more than profit makers for the owners. Do us a favor guys, go sell used cars and leave DL to the experts like California Coast University. CCU does give a damn if you graduate and have success in life. It may not be Harvard but you can go much farther with a degree from CCU than with an empty bank account thanks to UOP, and no degrees.
Bruce Tait, the horse COP, taught for the U of P. You have gotta be shitting me? This moron is the one who when told about www.degreeinfo.com being a child predator web site responded with: "Have a cup of coffee and relax. It's no big deal."
RE: University of Phoenix - Randall Flagg - 05-17-2007
He apparently is doing it part time, moonlighting I suppose. Just what we need. An off duty cop teaching college in his spare time. Maybe Harvard will be impressed by him and will steal him away from UOP. Richie worked for UOP for three years. That must be where he made the 350K per year.
Rich and Bruce at UOP. And this is what they call RA Gold. I would call it too cheap to hire qualified instructors.
RE: University of Phoenix - Brian Crawford - 05-18-2007
Randall Flagg Wrote:He apparently is doing it part time, moonlighting I suppose. Just what we need. An off duty cop teaching college in his spare time. Maybe Harvard will be impressed by him and will steal him away from UOP. Richie worked for UOP for three years. That must be where he made the 350K per year.
Rich and Bruce at UOP. And this is what they call RA Gold. I would call it too cheap to hire qualified instructors.
Just think, when students can't transfer their UOP degree into a real program, Tait can say: "Have a cup of coffee and relax. It's no big deal."
RE: University of Phoenix - Randall Flagg - 05-19-2007
Some schools will not accept UOP degrees, though I expect many will. They neither know or care how good it is, but if one wants a good, recognized education, you must look elsewhere. Those 8 week / 110 day degrees that are pushed by the gang are enough for many people but not for all and the gang can't seem to figure out that some people, maybe most, really do need the education.
Can you imagine trying to start a college teaching career based on 110 day degrees? It won't work, the schools know better. Of course if you want to be an on-line, part-time, low-paid, professor, well, maybe Excelsior will work, but poorly. But if you have the goal of teaching at some local B&M college, you had best get degrees from something respected and known.
UOP has its place in the DL world, but not as a good school or choice, just useful to some in particular cases.
RE: University of Phoenix - Brian Crawford - 05-19-2007
Randall Flagg Wrote:Some schools will not accept UOP degrees, though I expect many will. They neither know or care how good it is, but if one wants a good, recognized education, you must look elsewhere. Those 8 week / 110 day degrees that are pushed by the gang are enough for many people but not for all and the gang can't seem to figure out that some people, maybe most, really do need the education.
Can you imagine trying to start a college teaching career based on 110 day degrees? It won't work, the schools know better. Of course if you want to be an on-line, part-time, low-paid, professor, well, maybe Excelsior will work, but poorly. But if you have the goal of teaching at some local B&M college, you had best get degrees from something respected and known.
UOP has its place in the DL world, but not as a good school or choice, just useful to some in particular cases.
The main problem with UOP is more than just a low quality education. They are a for-profit program (the Apollo Group) and that means their degree programs are twice to three times that of any other program. By no means should anyone consider one of those degree by COD programs, but you should learn something more than you knew when you began the degree program. Kennedy-Western and others provide that happy medium. To have to take courses you could probably teach is stupid, which is what B&M programs require. Like you indicated, they are not for everyone, but for some, a KW type of degree program is great.
RE: University of Phoenix - ham - 06-25-2007
http://uopsucks.com/