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Oregon ODA Hates Black People - Ben Johnson - 12-19-2011
A sad case including a Degreediscussion pile on.
http://www.degreediscussion.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8565&start=0
How are black countries supposed to get ahead without racist Americans putting them down?
RE: Oregon ODA Hates Black People - Virtual Bison - 12-20-2011
(12-19-2011, 04:42 PM)Ben Johnson Wrote: A sad case including a Degreediscussion pile on.As I read through that entire thread it really astounds me how much of an arrogant son-of-a-bitch that Gollin is. Consider this reply...
http://www.degreediscussion.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8565&start=0
How are black countries supposed to get ahead without racist Americans putting them down?
Quote:Re: Another sign of legitimacy, perhaps?
Postby g-gollin on Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:08 pm
johann wrote:Hold on to your briefs, ODA lawyers - I hope it's a VERY bumpy (and horribly expensive for the ODA) ride!
Johann
That's absolutely ridiculous. ODA helped take down St. Regis and some of the University Degree Program mills. Rather than just wishing to have a regulatory body that you view as imperfect be destroyed in an expensive lawsuit (paid for by taxpayers), why not document your concerns in depth, and at length, and contact ODA to arrange for a (phone) meeting in which you make your case?
If you don't hear back from them, be persistent. I read some complaining not long ago in a post or two about the time it took to eceive (or not) a response. Contact them, and follow up.
It's been my experience that good information, properly organized and presented, can be very effective at bringing about good ends.
I don't think you want to have higher education oversight eliminated, since doing that makes it even more difficult to deal with clever, brazen mills that are out there in the world.
Quote:Re: Another sign of legitimacy, perhaps?
Postby g-gollin on Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:25 am
SteveFoerster wrote: ODA has been contacted multiple times about the mistakes I listed above.
So keep at it, and insist on a response. How long did it take the DI folks and others to obliterate the St. Regis monster? Maybe 3 or 4 years. And lots of people were involved, sharing and moving information.
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And whats more everyone else in that thread is, in so many words, telling Gollin that his planned witch hunt against Cherub College is off base. Even Bill Huffman...
Quote:Re: Cherub College complains about ODA
Postby Bill Huffman on Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:08 am
There appear to be some misrepresentations in this thread.
First, no where on the ODA website that I can find does it say that Cherub College is a diploma mill. All it says is that they are located in the Bahamas and that degrees from there cannot be used in Oregon.
Second, there is no shakedown money. Sorry, but that is just plain ridiculous. If you read the ODA website you will see that if you want an unaccredited degree to be accepted in Oregon then you simply pay a reasonable investigation fee and they will do the analysis. There are many such exceptions listed on the ODA website where they did the investigation and the unaccredited degrees are accepted.
Of course Gollin will never admit that he is wrong. Never in 1000 years. And now that his BFF Contreras has retired he will be fresh out of friends in Oregon.
It seems that everyone, including those on DD are starting to realize how irrelevant Gollin has become. The only one who still believes in George Gollin is George Gollin.
Incidentally, the Oregon law, just like the law in Texas and elsewhere is pretty much a paper tiger. To tell anyone that they cannot use an educational experience on a resume is pretty much a violation of their constitutional rights. This may be why Oregon actually had to modify their law allowing graduates of non-accredited colleges and universities to list their education so long as they cite the accreditation status of the said institution.
Quote:Re: Cherub College complains about ODA
Postby Bill Huffman on Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:50 am
g-gollin, thank you for the informative post.
g-gollin, fuck you for your pompous waste of internet space.
RE: Oregon ODA Hates Black People - Armando Ramos - 12-21-2011
(12-20-2011, 06:05 PM)Virtual Bison Wrote: g-gollin, fuck you for your pompous waste of internet space.
Gollum thinks it's clever to sneak around behind the scenes stirring shit. He hates it when people point out the obvious--the ODA and their ilk are little more than a sordid crew of stalking nazi assholes. Like all such they will get their comeuppance eventually.
Gollum calls Johann an "idiot" and a "fool" behind his back. Gollum is like a slinking cur who wags his tail and heels when the master is home, then takes a dump on the carpet when he's alone in the house. Left to his own devices he just can't control his antisocial and misogynistic impulses. But not being able to do anything by himself he needs other overpaid and underworked government leeches to do his dirty work for him.
RE: Oregon ODA Hates Black People - ham - 12-21-2011
(12-21-2011, 12:57 PM)Armando Ramos Wrote:(12-20-2011, 06:05 PM)Virtual Bison Wrote: g-gollin, fuck you for your pompous waste of internet space.
Gollum thinks it's clever to sneak around behind the scenes stirring shit. He hates it when people point out the obvious--the ODA and their ilk are little more than a sordid crew of stalking nazi assholes. Like all such they will get their comeuppance eventually.
Gollum calls Johann an "idiot" and a "fool" behind his back. Gollum is like a slinking cur who wags his tail and heels when the master is home, then takes a dump on the carpet when he's alone in the house. Left to his own devices he just can't control his antisocial and misogynistic impulses. But not being able to do anything by himself he needs other overpaid and underworked government leeches to do his dirty work for him.
And Johann has nothing better to do than sitting there pretending to be friends with the same people: what an histrion. Is whatever attention worth the insults? Wasn't he supposed to be on sabbatical until 2015? Great place, the internet...
RE: Oregon ODA Hates Black People - DrMSchmidt - 01-04-2012
(12-19-2011, 04:42 PM)Ben Johnson Wrote: A sad case including a Degreediscussion pile on.
http://www.degreediscussion.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8565&start=0
How are black countries supposed to get ahead without racist Americans putting them down?
I have highlighted your last sentence in bold because that is the sentence that inspired me to state the following:
Bill Grover, the deceased uncle and some others on that site are linked to South African institutions, some of which I still suspect to operate in the old "Apartheid" spirit of the old days. Theologically, they are followers of Calvin (the uncle was not, as he was a Lutheran) who claimed that there are/were certain kind of people chosen by God over others (implying that not all people are equal before God). South African churches in the Calvinist Reformed tradition tended to use this Calvinist doctrine to explain Apartheid theologically - God had chose the "white" man to rule over the "black" men - how wrong they were!
Is it perhaps because of this that they are putting down all schools with a mission statement to provide the best of quality education possible with humble means to Africa's people?
I am really gong to smell a rat...
As for this Gollin guy, I think he is not interested nor competent enough in the field of religious and theological education. He may be a self-declared and self-appointed "missionary" against what he may consider degree mills.
But the way he comes across is not only "arrogant"; he also seems to be totally incompetent to pass any judgment on the quality of schools. In truth, he may follow his own hidden agenda.
Could I perhaps say he is an idiot and does not know anything he talks about? I feel inclined to do so!
(12-21-2011, 12:57 PM)Armando Ramos Wrote:(12-20-2011, 06:05 PM)Virtual Bison Wrote: g-gollin, fuck you for your pompous waste of internet space.
Gollum thinks it's clever to sneak around behind the scenes stirring shit. He hates it when people point out the obvious--the ODA and their ilk are little more than a sordid crew of stalking nazi assholes. Like all such they will get their comeuppance eventually.
Gollum calls Johann an "idiot" and a "fool" behind his back. Gollum is like a slinking cur who wags his tail and heels when the master is home, then takes a dump on the carpet when he's alone in the house. Left to his own devices he just can't control his antisocial and misogynistic impulses. But not being able to do anything by himself he needs other overpaid and underworked government leeches to do his dirty work for him.
RE: Oregon ODA Hates Black People - Virtual Bison - 01-05-2012
(01-04-2012, 10:33 AM)DrMSchmidt Wrote: I have highlighted your last sentence in bold because that is the sentence that inspired me to state the following:Mr. Schmidt I find your ideas interesting. John Calvin, the French reformer based his doctrine on the principle of an elect of God. He based it on the old testament and, to a lessor extent, on the ideas of St. Augustine of Hippo. This was, to an extent a negation of the doctrine that Christ promoted regarding salvation being available to all who believe.
Bill Grover, the deceased uncle and some others on that site are linked to South African institutions, some of which I still suspect to operate in the old "Apartheid" spirit of the old days. Theologically, they are followers of Calvin (the uncle was not, as he was a Lutheran) who claimed that there are/were certain kind of people chosen by God over others (implying that not all people are equal before God). South African churches in the Calvinist Reformed tradition tended to use this Calvinist doctrine to explain Apartheid theologically - God had chose the "white" man to rule over the "black" men - how wrong they were!
Is it perhaps because of this that they are putting down all schools with a mission statement to provide the best of quality education possible with humble means to Africa's people?
I am really gong to smell a rat...
As for this Gollin guy, I think he is not interested nor competent enough in the field of religious and theological education. He may be a self-declared and self-appointed "missionary" against what he may consider degree mills.
But the way he comes across is not only "arrogant"; he also seems to be totally incompetent to pass any judgment on the quality of schools. In truth, he may follow his own hidden agenda.
Could I perhaps say he is an idiot and does not know anything he talks about? I feel inclined to do so!
During the era of the Reformation, this doctrine became popular in mercantile communities because it held that the road to salvation is in acquiring material wealth. Wealth, good health and good fortune are all signs of blessing from God.
Now the Anabaptist movement, along with Quakerism, the Great Awakening which promoted Methodism and the Baptist doctrines were seen as rejection of Calvinism and this, in turn was instrumental in promoting the ideals of the Enlightenment and some may argue the American and French Revolutions.
But to get to this Gollin guy. Yes hes a buffoon. But a dangerous one at that. Remember that the Stalinist purges were made possible by buffoons. Stalin surrounded himself with yes-men. He preferred incompetent and sometimes very stupid people rather than those who were capable because he saw less a threat to his power base. Gollin would have made an ideal Stalinist for that reason.
RE: Oregon ODA Hates Black People - ham - 01-05-2012
Quote:Bill Grover, the deceased uncle and some others on that site are linked to South African institutions,
They are a bunch of buffoons.
Their moral compass points to the ever shifting pole of personal interest.
Want distance learning authority dr. John Bear to give you credit at line 345 of his best-selling book's next preface? Just pitch enough sales for the current edition.
Are you a enema quack and gay teen pornographer who runs fake psychotherapy sites for sexually confused twinks you try to recruit as porn models?
Are you a lunatic crippled in body and mind but a very noisy one?
Are you a self-obsessed narcissist buffoon? A massage-parlor addict? pecunia non olet
If ZA schools are good for them, then it's the best of all worlds; later, who's the quack who would buy a degree from Tanzania, anyways?