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French Law 101 to correct errors - delafaide - 07-23-2010
Some people wrote that the Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon is not a "University but an Association". It demonstrates a total lack of knowledge of the French Laws.
In France a University is either:
1) A public entity, but they have a tendency now for outside funding to go with the "Association" status.
or
2) A private for profit company (S.A. or SARL), (number limited)
or
3) An association (Loi de 1901/1901 Law), which is always not for profit. Status taken by most of the private institutions operating in France.
As an exemple, the American University of Paris states on its home page:
The American University of Paris. All rights reserved.
"Etablissement privé d'enseignement supérieur libre. Association régie par la loi du 1er juillet 1901."
The American University of Paris and the Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon are both an" Association and Private Institution of Higher education (translation in French: établissement privé d'enseignement supérieur)
![[Image: Sorbon-Smallbanner.jpg]](http://www.sorbon.fr/Sorbon-Smallbanner.jpg)
www.sorbon.fr
RE: Saint Augustin University = ECOLE SUPERIEURE ROBERT DE SORBON in drag - BROWN TEAL - 07-23-2010
ham Wrote:As I said: believe none and contact your local French authorities for a confirmation in writing about the standing, equipollence etc of ESRDS degreeswithin the French educational system: that is what I did.
And what did the French authorities tell you?
FUNCIONA LEGALMENTE EN FRANCIA
RE: Saint Augustin University = ECOLE SUPERIEURE ROBERT DE SORBON in drag - ham - 07-23-2010
See?
The Sorbon travelling show is changing opinion once again.
For ages they have disputed the very notion of being an "association" (in spite of appearing as such on their very websites)...now that they think of it, other universities are in fact an association...so why shouldn't they be one, too?
We already went over the 'legal' thing too...it IS legal to buy a 'paratrooper's I.D' and it is legal to sell one...whether that makes a 'paratrooper' of the buyer is a completely different story...
The American University In Paris is NOT part of the French educational system, as it is "The American University of Paris is accredited in the United States by the Commission on Higher Education of the Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools".
http://www.aup.edu/main/about/accreditation.htm
That was the same card the ESRDS franchise played when claiming to be "American", "Comorean" etc, remember?
Are they then claiming NOT to be a part of the French educational system?
If you want to go to a university that is licensed from a third country, there are many of them...you just convert your degree later to suit local standards...if you can...oh, I forgot CEEDE (The Sorbon department) will help you with that, too.
Whatever floats your boat folks!
The full Legitimacy of de sorbon - delafaide - 07-24-2010
We responded clearly for the unfounded accusation that the Ecole supérieure Robert de Sorbon an "Association instead of a University".
1) We are and always were an "Etablissemernt d'enseignement supérieur privé Français". Our institution is French, within the French system.
2) As you are English speaking, we show you of the exemple American Universitiy in Paris stating in their homepage that they were was an "asoociation". All the other are also juridically "associations" like us. By the way legally AUP is part of the French system, as it is registered in France.
3) We operate for 6 years as a French Private Institution of Higher Education authorized to grant degrees. It was confirmed publically, long time ago by:
Dolorès Laope, responsable de la VAE à l'université de Poitiers: «Une école peut délivrer des diplômes..."(a school can grant degrees).
Anne-Marie Charraud, rapporteure générale à la CNCP placée sous la responsabilité du ministre chargé de la Forma-tion professionnelle: "On connaît bien cette école. Il reste que, juridiquement, Robert de Sorbon est dans son droit lorsqu'il délivre des certifications..." (we know well this school, legally, Robert de sorbon has the right to Grant degrees)
Sincerely
http://www.sorbon.fr
RE: Saint Augustin University = ECOLE SUPERIEURE ROBERT DE SORBON in drag - ham - 07-24-2010
Even Moe's local karate SCHOOL delivers diplomas...Moe got a black belt DEGREE from the ACADEMY OF ORIENTAL STUDIES.
As I said, ESRDS has not been shut down (yet) because of legal loopholes...I don't think anybody disputed ESRDS being 'legal'...in fact, even a business selling "paratrooper's I.Ds" online IS legal in most jurisdictions...
The problem is when Moe thinks he bought a degree equipollent to traditional French ones and it isn't the case.
As I said, contact your nearest French authorities and ask for confirmation in writing about the standing, equipollence etc of ESRDS degrees within the French educational system.
Just because ESRDS is legal (as of now) doesn't mean you get the equivalent of a degree issued by mainstream French universities...much as the "paratrooper's I.D" you purchased online -which is legal- does not entitle you to veteran's benefits.
ECOLE SUPERIEURE ROBERT DE SORBON - delafaide - 07-24-2010
We proved that we are a regular private French University, and that we have the right to grant degrees through the VAE procedure.
To insinuate the Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon benefits from a "loophole" is totaly false. We said that the whole Title III of Book VII of the French Code of education i.e. 18 Articles regulate the French Private Institutions of Higher education.
Sincerely,
www.sorbon.fr
![[Image: Sorbon-Smallbanner.jpg]](http://sorbon.fr/Sorbon-Smallbanner.jpg)
RE: ECOLE SUPERIEURE ROBERT DE SORBON - Little Arminius - 07-24-2010
delafaide Wrote:We proved that we are a regular private French University, and that we have the right to grant degrees through the VAE procedure.
To insinuate the Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon benefits from a "loophole" is totaly false. We said that the whole Title III of Book VII of the French Code of education i.e. 18 Articles regulate the French Private Institutions of Higher education.
Sincerely,
www.sorbon.fr
Are any offices or facilities even located in France, or in a French territory? Who is the most senior academic for ESRS? What is their academic background and what prior university-level position have they held?
ECOLE SUPERIEURE ROBERT DE SORBON - delafaide - 07-24-2010
The Ecole supérieure Robert de Sorbon is located in Vandoeuvre-les Nancy as said in our pages.
Our faculty includes:
- A Vice-Rector, Dean of one the most famous world Universities.
- A Director of the French department of a public university.
- 24 Ph.D. Holders from French public universities (Paris I, II, II, IV,X etc.) authors of several important publications.
Regards,
http://www.sorbon.fr
For Arminius - delafaide - 07-24-2010
Discute quod audis omne, quod credas, proba
RE: Saint Augustin University = ECOLE SUPERIEURE ROBERT DE SORBON in drag - ham - 07-24-2010
I suppose ESRDS faculty is like fantasy football...
Let's take one person from their list...
http://docs.lib.purdue.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1001&context=clcweblibrary
Steven TÖTÖSY de ZEPETNEK
A person with an odd name so that we are sure to deal with the right person and none else.
In his extended CV, this academic makes no mention of Sorbon I can see.
http://www.medienkomm.uni-halle.de/kontakt/mitarbeiter/totosy/
Nothing here, too.
Hmm...
Perhaps mr. de Zepetnek followed mr. Seastrum?
Oh, I forgot...he possibly no longer wants to associate with ESRDS because he fears being hounded by Ham, dr. Fifteenboim and Anal ...
FURTHERMORE
http://www.sorbon.fr/inscriptionengl.html
Quote:About the Integrity of our process
The degree that the Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon may grant is a "Certificat issu par un Etablissement d'Enseignement Supérieur Privé" as defined by the Ordonnance nº 2000-916 du 19 septembre 2000 art. 3 Journal Officiel du 22 septembre 2000 en vigueur le 1er janvier 2002)
See?
First they claim what you get is just another mainstream French degree equipollent to any other...then they start crossing their I's and dotting their T's to avoid legal action...
Recognized/accredited private universities do not just award 'certificates' with caveats appended...remember those nice "diploma replica" businesses that appended a removable sticker "for novelty purposes only"?