12-01-2007, 10:42 AM
ham Wrote:of course; some alternative offers fit this bill, others are (to my surprise) as (or more) expensive than traditional ones.
So the exception proves the rule? Freyed knot.
12-01-2007, 10:42 AM
12-03-2007, 02:03 AM
Different things are needed by different people at different times. Each person is best able to decide the methods to meet their needs and wants. If an accredited degree is what a person needs, that is what he needs. If not, many things come into play. When Bear was selling Greenwich and CPU degrees that was his battle cry. "It's up to you." When HIS needs and wants moved to accredited schools, or, a school recognized by it's home country / Heriot-Watt, he wanted his needs to be our needs. In some cases that may have been true, but in other cases it wasn't.
Douglas still defends degrees from the unaccredited school Virginia International as having good value, as does Bear defending the Greenwich degrees having met the needs of his students. And yet, both call all unaccredited schools bad or mills, but just not the ones they helped sell. As if employers know the difference from one to the other. If a Greenwich degree from the unevaluated Greenwich University will meet the needs of its students, it makes no sense to then say but all these other unaccredited schools are useless and won't meet the needs of their students.
Bear and Douglas have the impossible task of saying that all Apple Pies are bad or worse, but try my Apple Pie, it's finger licking good. In other words the old "My feet don't stink."
Douglas still defends degrees from the unaccredited school Virginia International as having good value, as does Bear defending the Greenwich degrees having met the needs of his students. And yet, both call all unaccredited schools bad or mills, but just not the ones they helped sell. As if employers know the difference from one to the other. If a Greenwich degree from the unevaluated Greenwich University will meet the needs of its students, it makes no sense to then say but all these other unaccredited schools are useless and won't meet the needs of their students.
Bear and Douglas have the impossible task of saying that all Apple Pies are bad or worse, but try my Apple Pie, it's finger licking good. In other words the old "My feet don't stink."
12-03-2007, 02:23 AM
"Who says it's worthless? I don't and never have. The courses and degrees earned at VIU may very well have good value to its students. And I am paid (per course) to teach a few."
--Rich Douglas--Degreeinfo--5/12/2002
So an unaccredited school that Douglas worked for may well have good value to students. Now isn't that what we say, and he calls us shills for saying it. Isn't it amazing to see Bear and Douglas duck and dodge. But if you don't like what they say today, just wait, they will say what you like soon, if it pays well that is.
--Rich Douglas--Degreeinfo--5/12/2002
So an unaccredited school that Douglas worked for may well have good value to students. Now isn't that what we say, and he calls us shills for saying it. Isn't it amazing to see Bear and Douglas duck and dodge. But if you don't like what they say today, just wait, they will say what you like soon, if it pays well that is.
12-03-2007, 02:39 AM
VIU
We have small class sizes, providing students with maximum, individual attention. Our class size is roughly 20 students for academic programs and 6-10 students for ESL and TOEFL classes. Our instructor/student ratio is 1/12.
Are you a recognized institution?
Are you a recognized institution? Are your credits transferable to other schools?
VIU is a recognized institution, all of our programs including Diploma and Certificate courses were proved
by the State board of education of Virginia. However, the real application depends on the policy of the school
where credits will be transferred to.
Certified to operate in Virginia by the State Council of Higher Education for Virginia (SCHEV)
http://www.schev.edu/Students/PrivateCollegeList.asp
My personal opinion is that if KU could earn at the minimum such state approval, certification it would serve the students, graduates better.
The simplest way to check out the validity of the Knightsbridge degrees, is for you to go to the department in your government that reviews overseas qualifications, and see how they regard a degree from Knightsbridge. They will do all of the intergovernmental checking for you, and the answer will be abundantly clear or NARIC in UK etc.
The problem is The Danish government denies that this entity has legal authority to issue college degrees. Knightsbridge cannot issue any Danish degrees. They have a company registration.
Who supervises Knightsbridge degrees? Which state or professional agency is it? Which standards are applied? Are standards applied? Are they proper?
I think Knightsbridge's legal existence is not in doubt. I think they are careful in granting degrees. They do offer real courses.
We have small class sizes, providing students with maximum, individual attention. Our class size is roughly 20 students for academic programs and 6-10 students for ESL and TOEFL classes. Our instructor/student ratio is 1/12.
Are you a recognized institution?
Are you a recognized institution? Are your credits transferable to other schools?
VIU is a recognized institution, all of our programs including Diploma and Certificate courses were proved
by the State board of education of Virginia. However, the real application depends on the policy of the school
where credits will be transferred to.
Certified to operate in Virginia by the State Council of Higher Education for Virginia (SCHEV)
http://www.schev.edu/Students/PrivateCollegeList.asp
My personal opinion is that if KU could earn at the minimum such state approval, certification it would serve the students, graduates better.
The simplest way to check out the validity of the Knightsbridge degrees, is for you to go to the department in your government that reviews overseas qualifications, and see how they regard a degree from Knightsbridge. They will do all of the intergovernmental checking for you, and the answer will be abundantly clear or NARIC in UK etc.
The problem is The Danish government denies that this entity has legal authority to issue college degrees. Knightsbridge cannot issue any Danish degrees. They have a company registration.
Who supervises Knightsbridge degrees? Which state or professional agency is it? Which standards are applied? Are standards applied? Are they proper?
I think Knightsbridge's legal existence is not in doubt. I think they are careful in granting degrees. They do offer real courses.
12-03-2007, 03:22 AM
Student Wrote:Are you a recognized institution?
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Answer: It exists, you are talking about it , as am I, the students like it, and many accept it, so it's recognized.
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Are you a recognized institution? Are your credits transferable to other schools?
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answer: It is listed in many places and employers have accepted the degrees. Some schools have accepted the degrees and other have not, as they see fit to do. This is true of all schools.
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VIU is a recognized institution, all of our programs including Diploma and Certificate courses were proved
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answer: It is an unaccredited school, state licensed. All state licensed schools meet the requirements of their home states, whatever they are.
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by the State board of education of Virginia. However, the real application depends on the policy of the school
where credits will be transferred to.
Certified to operate in Virginia by the State Council of Higher Education for Virginia (SCHEV)
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answer: The same is true for Knightsbridge and all unaccredited schools. One school may accept one thing and another school may accept something else. VIU is unaccredited and is accepted no more or less than any other unaccredited school. 96% in business and in transfer to other schools, as the receiving school sees fit.
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My personal opinion is that if KU could earn at the minimum such state approval, certification it would serve the students, graduates better.
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answer: There is no state approval available to Knightsbridge. It's home country allows it to operate as did Greenwich University, self-evaluated.
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Wile I can't fond anything about VIU on the SCHEV site, they claim some level of recognition.
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answer: It's state licensed.
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The problem is that country where KU is operating from don't recognize KU as valid University.
It apears that at least VIU has the right to award degrees.
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answer: KU is not evaluated by it's home country at all. It is neither valid nor invalid. It is legal under the system they have established. Just as Bear operated Greenwich in Hawaii, which had no state laws controling unaccredited schools at the time. Some have said that is why Bear put it there, I agree.
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I used to call this level of recognition as state accreditation.
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answer: In that case Douglas would list you as a shill.
12-03-2007, 07:54 AM
Here is an example of State Accreditation
http://www.ftu.edu/approvallarge.htm
The problem is that only NY state is recognized by USDE as an accrediting body. Other states are not.
Still a statement is strong and they burrow states that minimum educational quality is provided.
http://www.ftu.edu/approvallarge.htm
The problem is that only NY state is recognized by USDE as an accrediting body. Other states are not.
Still a statement is strong and they burrow states that minimum educational quality is provided.
12-03-2007, 09:54 AM
Student Wrote:Here is an example of State Accreditation
http://www.ftu.edu/approvallarge.htm
The problem is that only NY state is recognized by USDE as an accrediting body. Other states are not.
Still a statement is strong and they burrow states that minimum educational quality is provided.
Every state has its own version of approval. Ask Union about state approval. It was the OBR that was about to close down those shady Ph.D. programs at Union not the accreditor. An accreditor can take away accreditation and you are still in business. But if you lose your state licensing, they lock the doors.
12-03-2007, 11:49 AM
Student Wrote:The problem is The Danish government denies that this entity has legal authority to issue college degrees. Knightsbridge cannot issue any Danish degrees. They have a company registration.
Your source is???
The Danish government has stated that Knightsbridge is free to issue degrees. There is no law to the contrary. Rights that are not reserved to the state belong to the people everywhere.
12-04-2007, 04:07 AM
No, that is the lie that DI / DD tells people, student, and they have confused you also, student, with that lie. I have asked the Danish government myself. They tell you they do not evaluate schools that are private and that KU operates legally but has no form of state evaluation.
There were no rules on unaccredited schools in Hawaii when John Bear located his school Greenwich University there. The situation is exactly the same in Denmark for KU. Both KU and Greenwich operated the same way, self-validated. It means the school is tolerated and legal but not regulated by the state. Denmark has never said that degrees from KU are illegal. If you doubt me ask them yourself, that's what I did. Go straight to the government and you will get the truth, not the distorted version put forth by the gang. KU is a legally operating private college, that is fine for some and not for others according to what they want and need. If you require an accredited degree, you shouldn't use KU, but if a degree from a decent self-validated school will suffice, it may be the right choice. I would not hesitate to use KU if I desired a doctorate.
There were no rules on unaccredited schools in Hawaii when John Bear located his school Greenwich University there. The situation is exactly the same in Denmark for KU. Both KU and Greenwich operated the same way, self-validated. It means the school is tolerated and legal but not regulated by the state. Denmark has never said that degrees from KU are illegal. If you doubt me ask them yourself, that's what I did. Go straight to the government and you will get the truth, not the distorted version put forth by the gang. KU is a legally operating private college, that is fine for some and not for others according to what they want and need. If you require an accredited degree, you shouldn't use KU, but if a degree from a decent self-validated school will suffice, it may be the right choice. I would not hesitate to use KU if I desired a doctorate.