Don Dresden Wrote:JohnDoe Wrote:Gollin is moderating his view on Breyer State, somewhat.
From being a mill, and nothing but a mill, it is now described as:
" "apparent diploma mill" Breyer State (...)"
Can this be the start of a major move towards full acceptance of Breyer State by Gollin? I think not, but this is the "most favorable "characterization of Breyer State I have seen in a while by Gollin.
http://www.degreediscussion.com/forums/v...f=5&t=6102
More likely somebody threatened him with a lawsuit and he wussed out. He doesn't know whether they are a diploma mill or not, just his usual speculation, conjecture, connect the dots BS, etc.
Could someone tell me - what has John Bear got against Breyer State University? Why is he (and Gollin) continuously bad-mouthing them?
silverfox Wrote:Could someone tell me - what has John Bear got against Breyer State University? Why is he (and Gollin) continuously bad-mouthing them?
Gollin is a whipped husband and it's one of the few things his wife will let him do.
Bear seems to be suffering from old age dementia. His family is patiently waiting for the day when they can pull the plug.
silverfox Wrote:Don Dresden Wrote:JohnDoe Wrote:Gollin is moderating his view on Breyer State, somewhat.
From being a mill, and nothing but a mill, it is now described as:
" "apparent diploma mill" Breyer State (...)"
Can this be the start of a major move towards full acceptance of Breyer State by Gollin? I think not, but this is the "most favorable "characterization of Breyer State I have seen in a while by Gollin.
http://www.degreediscussion.com/forums/v...f=5&t=6102
More likely somebody threatened him with a lawsuit and he wussed out. He doesn't know whether they are a diploma mill or not, just his usual speculation, conjecture, connect the dots BS, etc.
Could someone tell me - what has John Bear got against Breyer State University? Why is he (and Gollin) continuously bad-mouthing them?
Gollin is obsessed with St. Regis and everyone and everything that had any connections with it no matter how remote, tenuous or even innocent.
When they opened in around 2002, BSU offered its students the option of a joint BSU - St. Regis degree. This agreement only lasted for a little while. BSU obviously believed that St. Regis' Liberian accreditation was genuine. At that time, St. Regis graduates were accepted by state universities, professional associations and government departments. So that means many people actually shared that belief.
silverfox Wrote:Don Dresden Wrote:JohnDoe Wrote:Gollin is moderating his view on Breyer State, somewhat.
From being a mill, and nothing but a mill, it is now described as:
" "apparent diploma mill" Breyer State (...)"
Can this be the start of a major move towards full acceptance of Breyer State by Gollin? I think not, but this is the "most favorable "characterization of Breyer State I have seen in a while by Gollin.
http://www.degreediscussion.com/forums/v...f=5&t=6102
More likely somebody threatened him with a lawsuit and he wussed out. He doesn't know whether they are a diploma mill or not, just his usual speculation, conjecture, connect the dots BS, etc.
Could someone tell me - what has John Bear got against Breyer State University? Why is he (and Gollin) continuously bad-mouthing them?
My personal opinion, which I have no evidence to support, but which I am presenting as a part of the freedom of speach is:
Almost everything in our society centers around money. RA institutions, and several NA institutions, charge a very high price for their provided education. We have seen evidence that education can in fact be provided at a very small cost:
http://www.aju.edu/
Now - what happens if low-cost providers like Breyer State are able to obtain a large part of the market, joined by other suppleirs that are operating according to the same concept? Easy: The potential market for the RA and NA institutions will be getting smaller, i.e. revenue will diminish. Will they sit back and just accept this? Of course not.
Now - what could be one way to prevent this?
Again: No evidence, just my personal opinion; and I am not targeting specific individuals.
RA and NA schools can form coalitions with groups and individuals to "speak their cause" whenever possible. Say no more.
The results: People are getting afraid of joining low-cost institutions like Breyer State, and high-cost institution can protect their existing market shares.
The problem for the bloated bureaucratic state schools is that for-profit schools can compete on price without any subsidy and without impoverishing the student with endless loans while producing a profit for the owners.
In other words fon-profits are a theat to the entrenched powers that be.
Fort Bragg Wrote:The problem for the bloated bureaucratic state schools is that for-profit schools can compete on price without any subsidy and without impoverishing the student with endless loans while producing a profit for the owners.
In other words non-profits are a theat to the entrenched powers that be.
First of all, distance education means a completely different game from B&M education saddled with extra costs that serve purposes other than education, E.G university sport.
Of course this universe parallel to education makes the delight of contractors and other parties eager to generate business, ultimately funded with tax money.
ham Wrote:Fort Bragg Wrote:The problem for the bloated bureaucratic state schools is that for-profit schools can compete on price without any subsidy and without impoverishing the student with endless loans while producing a profit for the owners.
In other words non-profits are a theat to the entrenched powers that be.
First of all, distance education means a completely different game from B&M education saddled with extra costs that serve purposes other than education, E.G university sport.
Of course this universe parallel to education makes the delight of contractors and other parties eager to generate business, ultimately funded with tax money.
Sorry, my last line should have read "for-profits" are a threat.
At least with Gollin, this is a highly personal matter. Nothing to do with vested interests.
His obsession is out of control. See how many threads he has started in which he follows step by step all the goings on in the St. Regis affair. And other threads about people who were once connected with SRU. BSU is simply part of all this.
It seems Gollin has reached a point where this has become a main preoccupation in his life. I wonder where he finds the time to do anything else.
It's more than obvious that he takes extreme pleasure and satisfaction in the public humiliation and suffering of these people. I'm not saying that some of these people don't deserve what's happening to them, but rejoicing in the humiliation and suffering of other people is just sick. Probably, this is the only source of pleasure and satisfaction left to this man. What he's been doing has nothing to do with his supposed interest in education or the protection of society, it's all highly personal. The person is sick.
I wouldn't be surprised, in fact I'm certain, if Gollin were behind what has been happening to BSU and its graduates. Including the loss of the Alabama license, the articles in the press, the outing of graduates, etc., etc.
The branding of BSU as a diploma mill cannot be supported by the reasons given for the revocation of its license. It's probably correct that BSU didn't comply with some of the rules and regulations of the Alabama dept. of postsecondary education. For example, bachelor degree programs were focused on the major and did not include general education courses. But, bachelor degrees in most European universities don't include general education courses either. Another reason was that BSU offered "self-design" degree programs. Well, I've heard of self-design programs before, especially at the graduate level. It depends on what these self-design programs involve.
All they did in Alabama was to check BSU's website and -four years after they had granted them a license based on these self same programs - revoke their license without any notification or a chance for them to reform. But, in any case, what are exactly the grounds BSU has been branded a "diploma mill"? Certainly not the reasons given for the revocation of its Alabama license.
On the other hand, all the evidence we have from ex students and graduates is that BSU delivers real education, probably up to a par with other good unaccredited and even accredited universities. Did anybody check if that is true? Not really.
The education provided by BSU should not be confused with the administrative shenanigans and the abysmal choices of the people who run BSU. This is what Gollin and his cronies have been doing to support their verdict that BSU is a diploma mill, "according to the federal definition" as Gollin says.
I really hope that BSU takes the state to court. Then during discovery Gollin's name might come up and he can be hit with a mega-million dollar lawsuit. Throw in the U of Illinois and CHEA into the mix. Having a CHEA board member attack unaccredited schools looks a lot like restraint of trade. Time to reign in the perverse spreaders of hate.