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ham Wrote:

Quote:What really ticks me off is when the dickless crusaders start attacking real schools as being degreemills when, in fact, they have no personal knowledge of the subject, relying simply on personal mental impressions.

the problem is that the public and authorities are even bigger jackasses.
If I put a claim forward, no matter how well-researched, I am a phony internet alias...people won't gain 20kg rock-hard muscle simply by whispering  doctor Gollin or our international distance education expert doctor John Bear.
If I called the press, they'd label me a mythomanian; if they receive a letter with prestigious university letterhead, they are all ears...if someone has sold 100.000 'guides', he must be an 'authority'... L.I.A.R, Millard Fillmore...hell, that's stuff for archaeologists and evil does, even if featured in the prestigious TIMES...

Sure, this is how things work whether we like it or not. Common people, journalists, authorities, everyone are inclined to pay more attention to opinions expressed by individuals regarded as important or holding important positions, and usually disregard opinions expressed by ordinary mortals, especially when these opinions are not supported by hard evidence.

However, even important individuals' opinions are not usually taken for granted through an act of faith. The big difference is that these people can get the wheels rolling so that evidence about what they claim can be found and verified.

Well, Gollin did not limit himself to just expressing opinions, he used his privileged position to initiate action that resulted in a very positive outcome. I don't understand what might be wrong with that. I or you could never do it, Gollin could from his position and he did.

Some of the former St. Regis "graduates" belonging to the category I refer to in my posts, have since pursued and obtained degrees from legitimate, accredited institutions or are still pursuing such degrees. They have been trying to put the stigma of their St. Regis involvement behind them, but it is not that easy.

A couple of them used to be among the most vociferous defenders of St. Regis legitimacy. Gollin was often the target of their vicious attacks because they believed they were right and Gollin had launched a hate campaign against their "school" for his own, unknown, sinister reasons. Well, Gollin was right and they were wrong and they came not only to accept and acknowledge that, but also to be thankful to Gollin because it is now obvious that what he did was for the best for them too.

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ham Wrote:

Quote:What really ticks me off is when the dickless crusaders start attacking real schools as being degreemills when, in fact, they have no personal knowledge of the subject, relying simply on personal mental impressions.

the problem is that the public and authorities are even bigger jackasses.
If I put a claim forward, no matter how well-researched, I am a phony internet alias...people won't gain 20kg rock-hard muscle simply by whispering  doctor Gollin or our international distance education expert doctor John Bear.
If I called the press, they'd label me a mythomanian; if they receive a letter with prestigious university letterhead, they are all ears...if someone has sold 100.000 'guides', he must be an 'authority'... L.I.A.R, Millard Fillmore...hell, that's stuff for archaeologists and evil does, even if featured in the prestigious TIMES...

Sure, this is how things work whether we like it or not. Common people, journalists, authorities, everyone are inclined to pay more attention to opinions expressed by individuals regarded as important or holding important positions, and usually disregard opinions expressed by ordinary mortals, especially when these opinions are not supported by hard evidence.

However, even important individuals' opinions are not usually taken for granted through an act of faith. The big difference is that these people can get the wheels rolling so that evidence about what they claim can be found and verified.

Well, Gollin did not limit himself to just expressing opinions, he used his privileged position to initiate action that resulted in a very positive outcome. I don't understand what might be wrong with that. I or you could never do it, Gollin could from his position and he did.

Some of the former St. Regis "graduates" belonging to the category I refer to in my posts, have since pursued and obtained degrees from legitimate, accredited institutions or are still pursuing such degrees. They have been trying to put the stigma of their St. Regis involvement behind them, but it is not that easy.

A couple of them used to be among the most vociferous defenders of St. Regis legitimacy. Gollin was often the target of their vicious attacks because they believed they were right and Gollin had launched a hate campaign against their "school" for his own, unknown, sinister reasons. Well, Gollin was right and they were wrong and they came not only to accept and acknowledge that, but also to be thankful to Gollin because it is now obvious that what he did was for the best for them too.

Well George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) can sure use defeders like you on his side. That poor vitim is attacked all the time and his being right 80% of the time should be good enough danm it!

By all means, lets leave out that George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) has had people mentioned in that SRU mess who had nothing to do with their activities. Lets leave out that George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) has cyberstalked people as well as legitimate businesses and will not admit when or if he makes a mistake. Let us set aside that George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) knows nothing about distance education degree programs having never taken a course through DE. Let's leave out that George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) knows nothing about the people he stalks but relies on speculation and just, as he says. "connecting the dots" to make his speculations. Let
's just forget about George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) knowing nothing about accreditation, yet by kissing ass and having his wife write one of his recommendations fraudulantly (because she doesn't use his last name and is a real university administrator) and that among others got him appointed to CHEA. Lets set aside the fact that George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) knew nothing about distance education or alleged diploma mills until August of 2003 when he began his "hobby" of stalking, yet was on CNN and other news stations proclaiming to be an expert on the topic.


Sign me up to be in George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) corner!

Quote:Why? You expect different rules to apply when dealing with different educational systems. What about the French VAE? Limitless work done elsewhere is accepted throught VAE, isn't it? And degrees are obtainable through VAE within a couple of months from any French public university.

I discussed that recently on another site.
(VERY) THEORETICALLY AND ON PAPER, VAE (just an acronym for PLAR, not a different concept at all ) allows chosen institutions to award full or partial degrees.
There ends the portion mills usually quote to their advantage.
What they won't say is that one has to:
1 prepare a detailed application following the law in its minutiae.
2 choose the 'right' institution to apply to.
2-a. mind that one's experience matches closely the credit ratio of the degree he's after. As a mere example, one may have worked 10 years as an accountant, but lack the equivalent of 'history credits' in an accounting degree, whatever.
3 meet the demands of and convince a jury in French in France how it is in their best interest to award a degree.
3-a. it is possible one be asked to prove his knowledge hands-on in a controlled environment.

Of course I was rebuffed and someone loudly proclaimed that 'many' (?) French institutions offer full course service in English and that he had a 'list' to prove it, offering two names to start with.
I doubt that they ever offer full course service (or JUST ANY service ) in English, and nothing on the sites of those universities offered any kind of proof to the contrary.
The list never materialized and all we were left with was a broken link pointing to some website.
The proponent of the list slammed the door offended because I (?) was mocking him.
So you see it's hard to believe everything you are told.

Quote:Degrees from universities accredited by the MOE of a sovereign nation are accepted almost anywhere and that's a fact. Don't forget Liberia is a full member of UNESCO.

Propaganda.
Look at the list of 'acceptable credentials' on any major university's website and you'll see not all degrees on a comparable level are equally accepted, following the country of origin.

Quote:St. Regis appeared very convincingly to be a bona fide accredited Liberian school. Nowhere did it appear as an American school or as a school run by Americans. They had a Liberian address and Liberian telephone and fax numbers. Their domain had also a Liberian suffix. Confirmation of St. Regis accreditation did not come only from the Liberian embassy as some people seem to think. People also confirmed St. Regis status by calling and/or obtaining accreditation and all sorts of other documents directly from the MOE in Liberia.

you ignored my point about the public they served, but that's ok.

Quote:Well, Gollin did not limit himself to just expressing opinions, he used his privileged position to initiate action that resulted in a very positive outcome. I don't understand what might be wrong with that. I or you could never do it, Gollin could from his position and he did.

Look at how I handled the ESRDS affair: from my privileged position of telephone and email holder, I sent emails and made phone calls. They won't land on my curriculum, though, as they did with Gollin's.

Quote:What you're saying above, you're saying it with the benefit of the knowledge we have today and not with what could be confirmed knowledge at the time.

WRONG.
I jumped after ECOLE SUPERIEURE ROBERT DE SORBON as soon as it appeared in the open. Maybe that concerns you or someone else, but not me.

Quote:A couple of them used to be among the most vociferous defenders of St. Regis legitimacy. Gollin was often the target of their vicious attacks because they believed they were right and Gollin had launched a hate campaign against their "school" for his own, unknown, sinister reasons. Well, Gollin was right and they were wrong and they came not only to accept and acknowledge that, but also to be thankful to Gollin because it is now obvious that what he did was for the best for them too.

Gollin (and Uncle Janko and Gregg DesElms and George Brown and John Bear and Alan Contreras ) is so 'good' that he shared the premises of and adhered to the cult of a gay teen pornographer named Thomas Chip White...
Hint: Thomas Chip White 's (owner of degreeinfo ) sordid and graphic advertisements of his own 'business' on queer boards are just one click away...

ham Wrote:

Quote:Why? You expect different rules to apply when dealing with different educational systems. What about the French VAE? Limitless work done elsewhere is accepted throught VAE, isn't it? And degrees are obtainable through VAE within a couple of months from any French public university.

I discussed that recently on another site.
(VERY) THEORETICALLY AND ON PAPER, VAE (just an acronym for PLAR, not a different concept at all ) allows chosen institutions to award full or partial degrees.
There ends the portion mills usually quote to their advantage.
What they won't say is that one has to:
1 prepare a detailed application following the law in its minutiae.
2 choose the 'right' institution to apply to.
2-a. mind that one's experience matches closely the credit ratio of the degree he's after. As a mere example, one may have worked 10 years as an accountant, but lack the equivalent of 'history credits' in an accounting degree, whatever.
3 meet the demands of and convince a jury in French in France how it is in their best interest to award a degree.
3-a. it is possible one be asked to prove his knowledge hands-on in a controlled environment.

Of course I was rebuffed and someone loudly proclaimed that 'many' (?) French institutions offer full course service in English and that he had a 'list' to prove it, offering two names to start with.
I doubt that they ever offer full course service (or JUST ANY service ) in English, and nothing on the sites of those universities offered any kind of proof to the contrary.
The list never materialized and all we were left with was a broken link pointing to some website.
The proponent of the list slammed the door offended because I (?) was mocking him.
So you see it's hard to believe everything you are told.

Quote:Degrees from universities accredited by the MOE of a sovereign nation are accepted almost anywhere and that's a fact. Don't forget Liberia is a full member of UNESCO.

Propaganda.
Look at the list of 'acceptable credentials' on any major university's website and you'll see not all degrees on a comparable level are equally accepted, following the country of origin.

Quote:St. Regis appeared very convincingly to be a bona fide accredited Liberian school. Nowhere did it appear as an American school or as a school run by Americans. They had a Liberian address and Liberian telephone and fax numbers. Their domain had also a Liberian suffix. Confirmation of St. Regis accreditation did not come only from the Liberian embassy as some people seem to think. People also confirmed St. Regis status by calling and/or obtaining accreditation and all sorts of other documents directly from the MOE in Liberia.

you ignored my point about the public they served, but that's ok.

Quote:Well, Gollin did not limit himself to just expressing opinions, he used his privileged position to initiate action that resulted in a very positive outcome. I don't understand what might be wrong with that. I or you could never do it, Gollin could from his position and he did.

Look at how I handled the ESRDS affair: from my privileged position of telephone and email holder, I sent emails and made phone calls. They won't land on my curriculum, though, as they did with Gollin's.

Quote:What you're saying above, you're saying it with the benefit of the knowledge we have today and not with what could be confirmed  knowledge at the time.

WRONG.
I jumped after ECOLE SUPERIEURE ROBERT DE SORBON as soon as it appeared in the open. Maybe that concerns you or someone else, but not me.

Quote:A couple of them used to be among the most vociferous defenders of St. Regis legitimacy. Gollin was often the target of their vicious attacks because they believed they were right and Gollin had launched a hate campaign against their "school" for his own, unknown, sinister reasons. Well, Gollin was right and they were wrong and they came not only to accept and acknowledge that, but also to be thankful to Gollin because it is now obvious that what he did was for the best for them too.

Gollin (and Uncle Janko and Gregg DesElms and George Brown and John Bear and Alan Contreras ) is so 'good' that he shared the premises of and adhered to the cult of a gay teen pornographer named Thomas Chip White...
Hint: Thomas Chip White 's (owner of degreeinfo ) sordid and graphic advertisements of his own 'business' on queer boards are just one click away...

I have seen George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) add a newspaper, law enforcement agency or state agency to his CV just by placing a phone call to them or stalking one or two people in the locality where he is telephoning. That, according to George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin), amounts to a "collaboration" or "consuted with" and it is promptly added to his CV/

George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) and John Bear find it amusing and entertaining to call employers and local newspapers to out people with degrees from schools they do not agree with as being legitimate. Now is that admirable and professor like duties to call one's employer or out them as it were?

Attempting to be George Gollin's (George Dana Gollin's, George D. Gollin's) mouth piece, is not a good battle to try to fight.

George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) was referred to as a "lose cannon" by the Regis University attorneys who were less than happy with their unsucessful attempt at suing SRU for copyright enfringement. You remember, the one where George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) placed the cover sheet to the law suit on his University assigned web page on their .EDU which had a rifle scope over the names of those being sued. the GIF file he quicly pulled off of the web page when his employer's lawyers slapped him in the face (should havem any way).

The Regis University attorneys tried to get the $300K they spent on suting SRU from them but the judge in the case denied their request.

US Secret Service Agents are also very unhappy with George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) although 80% of his information was correct, that pesky annoying  20% that he was wrong on during the SRU investigation pisses them off.

Brian Crawford Wrote:US Secret Service Agents are also very unhappy with George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) although 80% of his information was correct, that pesky annoying  20% that he was wrong on during the SRU investigation pisses them off.

I've heard similar things, except the percentage of "wrong" info is believed to be quite a bit higher.

Gollin's future value as an "informant" is considered nill by responsible law enforcement.  Gollin's dirty laundry is so well publicized now that nobody who has ever run a google search on him takes him seriously.  No prosecutor wants to have to explain why his eagle eye witness didn't know about his own gay boy porn connection, ignored his wife's mutant pork vending, overlooked his colleagues sodomizing student mass murderers, his "collaborative" dissertation, his G-Man impersonations, etc. etc. etc.

And the fact is that many people were making the same negative comments about CCU and Nova in their early stages as were beiing made about SRU.  Given the time to get their act together and accumulate a sufficient war chest, they eventually became accredited and now are considered respectable if not spectacular schools.  SRU never got the chance because our own government arranged to pull the Liberian accreditation rug out from under them.  

Gollin is more akin to an abortionist than a savior.  He killed the baby in the womb before it had a chance to form.  Too small, can't breath, I did the world a favor he says.  

Gollin is just a shill for the wealthy cartel that controls higher education.  The only interests he protects are the billion dollar endowments who have ample resources to protect themselves.  

Quote:I have seen George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) add a newspaper, law enforcement agency or state agency to his CV just by placing a phone call to them or stalking one or two people in the locality where he is telephoning. That, according to George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin), amounts to a "collaboration" or "consulted with" and it is promptly added to his CV/

another janitor posing as the principal.
another 'manager for a billionaire company' who fries fries at the burgher joint...but his badge DOES say 'assistant MANAGER' and the burgher chain IS a billionaire company...hell, he even supervises 3 Pakistani who got to clean toilets.


I think some people are keyboard superheroes desperately trolling for attention to make up for what's missing in their life... therapist's order perhaps.
The billionaire accreditation cartel does not need gay teen pornographers, massage parlor addicts, queer civil servants & the like...they just slip a $50.000 (or 100.000 or 1 million ) cheque in the dowry box of the next ballot wh-re politician.

ham Wrote:

Quote:I have seen George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) add a newspaper, law enforcement agency or state agency to his CV just by placing a phone call to them or stalking one or two people in the locality where he is telephoning. That, according to George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin), amounts to a "collaboration" or "consulted with" and it is promptly added to his CV/

another janitor posing as the principal.
another 'manager for a billionaire company' who fries fries at the burgher joint...but his badge DOES say 'assistant MANAGER' and the burgher chain IS a billionaire company...hell, he even supervises 3 Pakistani who got to clean toilets.


I think some people are keyboard superheroes desperately trolling for attention to make up for what's missing in their life... therapist's order perhaps.
The billionaire accreditation cartel does not need gay teen pornographers, massage parlor addicts, queer civil servants & the like...they just slip a $50.000 (or 100.000 or 1 million ) cheque in the dowry box of the next ballot wh-re politician.

So true. Well I guess that when George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) is only a university professor and his wife is his bosses, bosses, bosses, boss, he needs to make up for is lack of status some how. After all, George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) reports to a department head and who knows how many up the adminsitrative ladder are between his position and his wife. Then there is the whole daughter kissing girls and she liked it thing.

A lot of people like George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) remind you of the rock group groupies. They hang around with John Bear and Alan Ezell hoping some of their fame will rub off on them.

Albert Hidel Wrote:And the fact is that many people were making the same negative comments about CCU and Nova in their early stages as were beiing made about SRU.  Given the time to get their act together and accumulate a sufficient war chest, they eventually became accredited and now are considered respectable if not spectacular schools.  SRU never got the chance because our own government arranged to pull the Liberian accreditation rug out from under them.  
  

Man, I just hope you're not serious. You compare SRU with CCU and Nova during their early stages???!!! You compare with CCU and Nova a fraudulent operation like SRU run by a high school dropout who impersonated dozens of non existent "professors" to trick students???

CCU offered from day one organized courses run by qualified faculty, and was the first distance university to receive full institutional approval in California in the mid-70's. Up to the early 90's California full institutional approval was equivalent to R.A.

I think this is an insult to CCU and Nova, their founders and current administration and also their students and graduates.

Someone Wrote:Man, I just hope you're not serious. You compare SRU with CCU and Nova during their early stages???!!! You compare with CCU and Nova a fraudulent operation like SRU run by a high school dropout who impersonated dozens of non existent "professors" to trick students???

CCU offered from day one organized courses run by qualified faculty, and was the first distance university to receive full institutional approval in California in the mid-70's. Up to the early 90's California full institutional approval was equivalent to R.A.

I think this is an insult to CCU and Nova, their founders and current administration and also their students and graduates.

Perhaps you might want to read the post before you start ranting. Oswald was talking about "many people", not himself.

Albert Hidel Wrote:

Brian Crawford Wrote:US Secret Service Agents are also very unhappy with George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) although 80% of his information was correct, that pesky annoying  20% that he was wrong on during the SRU investigation pisses them off.

I've heard similar things, except the percentage of "wrong" info is believed to be quite a bit higher.

Gollin's future value as an "informant" is considered nill by responsible law enforcement.  Gollin's dirty laundry is so well publicized now that nobody who has ever run a google search on him takes him seriously.  No prosecutor wants to have to explain why his eagle eye witness didn't know about his own gay boy porn connection, ignored his wife's mutant pork vending, overlooked his colleagues sodomizing student mass murderers, his "collaborative" dissertation, his G-Man impersonations, etc. etc. etc.

And the fact is that many people were making the same negative comments about CCU and Nova in their early stages as were beiing made about SRU.  Given the time to get their act together and accumulate a sufficient war chest, they eventually became accredited and now are considered respectable if not spectacular schools.  SRU never got the chance because our own government arranged to pull the Liberian accreditation rug out from under them.  

Gollin is more akin to an abortionist than a savior.  He killed the baby in the womb before it had a chance to form.  Too small, can't breath, I did the world a favor he says.  

Gollin is just a shill for the wealthy cartel that controls higher education.  The only interests he protects are the billion dollar endowments who have ample resources to protect themselves.  

True, the percentage may be more like 60% right than 80%. I was being kind to George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) and giving him more credit than I should have.