DL Truth: Distance Learning Truth

Hogwasher Wrote:

DR ANATIDAE Wrote:Bye Bye again RCD - the TRUTH is far too hot for you here. Once again you display an incredibly naive knowledge about education, degrees and qualifications - and about anything associated with the real world.

Now now, Dr. Duck, you're a boob with a purchased degree, and you cast shame on your countrymen.

And you don't deal in facts, just rambling nonsense, so there isn't a question of TRUTH to be addressed. You're just not useful, and your hot air isn't substantive.

But there is one thing that makes you distinctive: you're the second-most pompous person with a fake degree ever to post in the shill forums. (John D. has you beat, sorry about that.)

Now don't get too nasty Rich. Bear may think you are too crazy to be his 'in public' friend anymore, a detriment. You should be tired of always losing these things, but then, you are so good at ignorance.
Hoglicker 0, Dl Truth About 1000

Student Wrote:

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Their business degree is an M.B.A. Lite,” said Henry M. Levin, a professor of higher education at Teachers College at Columbia University. “I’ve looked at their course materials. It’s a very low level of instruction.”

In November, the university’s reliance on part-time faculty caused a problem with Intel, hundreds of whose employees it has educated. Alan Fisher, an Intel manager, said the company had decided to pay for employees to attend only highly accredited programs. Although Phoenix is regionally accredited, it lacks approval from the most prestigious accrediting agency for business schools, the Association to Advance Collegiate Schools of Business.

John J. Fernandes, the association’s president, said the university had never applied. “They’re smart enough to understand their chances of approval would be low,” Mr. Fernandes said. “They have a lot of come-and-go faculty. We like institutions where the faculty is stable and can ensure that students are being educated by somebody who knows what they’re doing.”

Dr. Pepicello defended the effectiveness of the faculty, saying instructors were carefully certified.

Most educators acknowledge that the university has helped traditional institutions recognize the needs of older students.

Some of the university’s detractors suggest that it has always relied too much on part-time faculty and raced too quickly through course material. Others say the university’s academic program was once better but has deteriorated in breakneck expansion — it has opened 50 campuses in a decade. Today, even a cursory Internet search will turn up criticism on sites like ripoffreport.com and uopexperience.com.

“Phoenix claims that 95 percent of their students are satisfied, but the reports we get indicate otherwise,” said James R. Hood, founder of a similar site, consumeraffairs.com.

Many reports follow a similar pattern. Students say they liked recruiters’ descriptions of the classes, but after enrolling concluded that they were learning too little or paying too much. Many who quit say they were left with huge debts.

Robert Wancha, 42, a former National Guard commander who is pursuing a bachelor’s degree in information technology at the university’s Detroit campus, said that in a computer course last fall his instructor, Christopher G. Stanglewicz, had boasted that he had a doctorate but did little teaching, instead assigning students to work in learning teams while he toyed with his computer.

Mr. Stanglewicz, reached at his home, acknowledged that he had covered only a fraction of the syllabus , partly, he said, because the university required him to cram too much information into too few sessions.

“Students get overwhelmed,” he said. Mr. Stanglewicz asserted in the interview that he had earned a doctorate in economics from the University of Kentucky. But the authorities there said his name was not in their records. (Dr. Pepicello said that Mr. Stanglewicz had never told the university that he had a doctorate, and that he was qualified to teach.)

Not all students are critics. Yvonne-Louise Catino, 43, of Bloomington, Minn., who is studying online for a doctorate, said she believed she was getting a rigorous education. In a week, Ms. Catino said, she might read eight journal articles and write several essays. “I love the online environment,” she said, “being able to direct where I want to go.”

One can expect that there are levels of schools and it apears that some are substandard al do accredited. This is my opinion I can be wrong.

You are exactly correct. Some accredited schools are great, some are good, some are fair, some are average, some are below average, some are bad-like UOP and the Easy Three, and others are so bad they are only allowed to stay because they can pay the accreditors the money.

And Di and DD are wrong because they refuse to admit that there are accredited schools too bad to safely use, and there are unaccredited schools good enough to use. But to each his own I say. If a bad RA school is what they want I have no problem with that, if, they don't do as Rich Douglas does, and brags about easy it was and then says but it was so wonderful. The boy got 4 degrees in 21 months, did it by testing out, and learned very little. On paper he looks to be educated, in reality, he ain't. And he proves it every time he opens his mouth to brag about a bad school. Harvard is accredited as is UOP, but only a fool fails to see the huge differences between them.

UOP is an accredited degree mill, nothing more. Excelsior, Charter Oak, TESC, are a little better but of almost no use where good B&M degrees are expected, teaching and such.

You can't do one of the quicky accredited degrees in 8 weeks and then fool people into believing that it is the same thing as sitting in class for 4 years. It isn't and almost everyone in the world knows it, except, those who did it that way. They feel the need to shill and lie to defend their lesser choices. They then also attack people with state licensed degrees because they really fear their own degrees which were often much easier and quicker will not be seen as any better. UOP was never as good as was CCU when it was state approved or now even, of course.

DR ANATIDAE Wrote:...can you re-confirm that you did in fact purchase three 'degrees' in a year and a half...

Nope, that's not me.

Now, Dr. Duck, do you, or do you not have any doumentation to demonstrate millish behavior by an RA school?

larryjf Wrote:University of Phoenix...
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/15...150301.htm

HERE!

Randall Flagg Wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/17/educat...llege.html

"He said those defendants were among 10 people indicited in a "cash for grades scheme" in which students' transcripts were altered and transcripts and degrees were created for people who had never attended the institution, including the three city teachers. The teachers were said to have bought falsified master's degrees from Touro that helped in their promotion and their certification."
--NY Times.com

And here!! Along with all the others.

And more:

On October 2, 2006, The Conference Board, an organization of American businesses, released a survey entitled "Are They Really Ready for Work? The report, which was based on responses from 431 employers, hardly gives a ringing endorsement of our educational system. Only 10 percent of the employers said that they find graduates of 2-year colleges "excellent" in term of their overall preparation for work and only 24 percent rated graduates of 4-year colleges as "excellent."

More than a quarter with 4-year degrees are rated as "deficient" with regard to their ability to write and understand written material.
--George Leef--John William Pope Center

http://www.popecenter.org/commentaries/a...ml?id=1765

Hoglicker Douglas= 0 DLTruth= 1000

Quote:Dumb as a can of clam chowder, aren't you? "What matters" is whether or not the upper administration was complicit in this.

Let's face it: you know you can buy a "degree" but you aren't sure you can earn one. Eats you up, no?

I have no unaccredited degrees.
News articles reported names of plenty of high officials, but you probably will say they are few, far between and "not upper enough", to which i responded already saying that, by your logic, the registered nurse & the football coach are cleared of suspicion...

Quote:More than a quarter with 4-year degrees are rated as "deficient" with regard to their ability to write and understand written material.

Help University of Phoenix Degree.
"Ok, I'm busting it all out here and asking for your help. Are you a hiring manager? Would you hire a UOP graduate? The reason I ask is that due to UOPs misleading tactics. I was enrolled there and graduated with a BSIT. I have since graduation been employed as a secretary...because no one hiring believes UOP is anything more than a degree mill. Please tell me if your company would hire a UOP graduate. I want to get a start on some hard data so I can fight this legally...I want to prove they "sold" me a bogus degree.
Also in your opinion what could someone in my shoes do to improve their chances of getting into the IT field?"
--Karen M.

"Your problem is that you are competing against others with degrees from MIT, Cal Tech, CU. It's not that your degree is worthless it's that their degree is worth more. You may be able to do what I did. I too have a worthless BS, but I followed that up with an MS from a quality school."
--IT Manager

UOP strikes again!!
Hoglicker still at "ZERO" DLTruth 1000+++

Quote:It's not that your degree is worthless it's that their degree is worth more.

exactly.
most debates in education/employment-career prospective can be framed within this logic.
However, look UK university surveys up in the Guardian & Times...although Oxford & Cambridge & a few others rank top 5 in any given field, the surbey isn't always 10/10 on future employment.
http://education.guardian.co.uk/universityguide2008
EG in architecture Cambridge gets only 8/10; in dentistry none gets more than 8 and some even as low as 1 (dentistry I mean, not sanskrit ); etc.
And we know surveys are always kind of cooked to look as good as they can.
However
the person attending Oxford, Cambridge & the like is going to pay roughly twice the tuition he would at a regular institution (there you pay fees to the "university" first, and to the "college" you belong to second ). An Athabasca DE/DL course costs less than half compared with a Harvard fully DE/DL course.
This exorbitant tuition you pay doesn't by any stretch of the term guarantee you anything.
Sure, if your father owns a company; your uncle is a powerful politician; you smoke dope with the recruiting boss at Intel, etc, then your chances drastically improve, but then, a "regular" degree would be just fine.
Try figuring out how much money you might have in twenty years' time going for a regular degree and investing the difference in COD.
20 years ago big ticket schools would make bolder statements about employment-career chances; declining economy and lawsuits later, they mostly blow smoke like dodgy schools do...
our 2004 management class of seventy people got 133 job offers, but they won't tell the top 2% received 2/3 of the offers, if any.
here are twentythree of our 1999 graduates who are working (moreless) prestigious jobs with great companies: you will succeed with us, yea, too bad 1999 graduates were four-hundreds-ninety-six overall, what about the others?
It just reminds me of what some Hullaballoo University selling on ebay might say...we all have read those lines...
People with a A.A earn $8.000 per annum more than people with no university degree.
People with a B.A earn $10.000 P.A more than people with a simple A.A
People with a doctorate earn $50.000 P.A more than people with a simple B.A
Sure, this might be happening to some right now; whether or not it'll happen to me is a completely different story, huh?

The gang and their minions tell the world that the quick and easy colleges like UOP and Excelsior offer degrees that will be accepted as well as those from the University of Tennessee / Penn. State University...etc.  Karen M. and many others have discovered that that isn't so, and they learned it the hard way, by long hard failure, the same as Douglas discovered it, but he won't admit it, they do, and very loudly.

When they lie to make themselves look more successful and look better at the discussion groups, the gang does great harm to people like Karen. They don't know that those quicky degrees have serious limitations in some areas and at least some in most areas.  

All degrees legitimately earned have value and usage, but the value is different and it is up to the student to pick what is needed and useful to each. These schools, certainly a great many of them, accredited or not, will lie and/or exaggerate their own school's usage. And the gang will certainly lie about the acceptability of the degrees they hold.

UOP would have you believe it is Harvard light. It is really Harvard Extra-Extra Light.