VAE exists, much as PLAR provisions have ALWAYS been present in ANY educational system. VAE in fact means PLAR in French...
About VAE:
http://www.vae.gouv.fr/
From the horse's mouth...
http://www.education.gouv.fr/cid1106/la-...v.a.e.html
Quote:Dans la majeure partie des cas, [COLOR="Magenta"]le candidat doit remplir un dossier détaillant son expérience professionnelle et les compétences acquises. Il se présente ensuite devant un jury qui décide de valider tout ou partie du diplôme visé.[/COLOR] En cas de validation partielle des acquis, des prescriptions sont proposées au candidat en vue d'obtenir la totalité du diplôme.
[COLOR="SandyBrown"]Dans l'enseignement supérieur, la validation des acquis existait déjà avant la mise en place de la V.A.E.[/COLOR] Aujourd'hui encore, chacun peut faire valider son expérience professionnelle et personnelle pour accéder directement à un niveau de formation sans avoir le diplôme requis (décret du 23 août 1985). La loi de modernisation sociale du 17 janvier 2002, qui a créé la VAE, permet d'aller plus loin en autorisant les universités et les autres établissements d'enseignement supérieur à délivrer leurs diplômes ou leurs titres par une autre voie que celle de la formation ou l'apprentissage. La V.A.E. ramène la durée d'expérience de 5 à 3 ans.
VAE is just an acronym in French to designate credit given for prior learning/experience; something that one's local university down the block offers, too.
Be wary of parties with vested interests presenting 'exotic' VAE as surefire way to fast'n'easy degrees 110% PLAR.
It isn't easier to get a VAE degree from an accredited, official French university than it is to get one from one's local accredited, official university.
Some millists do (ab)use the term VAE much like they abuse(d) the wording of the UK education act claiming that the value of a degree shall be left to the sole appreciation of employers.
Why?
Because the target public is totally clueless and ignores the technicalities of unheard of, foreign laws in a language they can't even understand...but it's oh so sweet if a fast'n'easy degree can be granted on the basis of some mysterious foreign law... Liberia, anyone?
DLG;9195 Wrote:Not true. The French VAE system mandates French universities to grant credit or an entire degree without formal study in the university. This includes virtually all French universities. As you have said yourself, no US school will grant more than a certain percentage of the credits for a degree without formal unuiversity study (in residence). The term may be the same but the practice is quite different.
The term VAE is, of course abused by mills. This doesn't mean that it is not a legitimate practice in France.
sure...there are gigabytes of laws and procedures. I posted the relevant governmental websites. I am sure that complicate legal procedures cannot be translated into used car salesman's slogans that apply to everybody.
First the law 'mandates' nothing in the sense that universities are not 'obliged', but simply granted a possibility.
Most educational systems offer the possibility of being granted degrees without formal classes...I heard Steven Spielberg was awarded a degree by presenting 'Schindler's list' as a portfolio
.
This provided you can find a university council, académie or university senate that will approve your request.
Most often they will simply make demands you can't meet.
In other words the typical reader of these websites isn't some Steven Spielberg or some billionaire philanthropist who can easily secure the approval of mostly any committee; the typical reader of these websites is mid-card Wong, Leroy, Pedro or Barney from mid-town Oklahoma.
Now how realistic is it to suggest to mid-card Barney from mid-town Oklahoma (or mid-town British Columbia...or mid-town Shanghai ) to initiate a complex procedure full of difficulties, casuistry and small print with a foreign government?
Can you successfully convince a French university committee arguing in French in France that it is in their best interest to grant you a full degree?
You don't even live in France after all...
I wouldn't, and I have a postgraduate degree in French.
VAE is surely legitimate; it is only the translation of PLAR after all; much like the 'UK education act' often referred to by millists exists and is legitimate. That has never meant that promises from dodgy schools and peddlers of bogus '110% PLAR' degrees have materialized in a legal way.
Buyer beware.
http://www.infovae-idf.com/html/procedure/valid2.html#1
Quote:Après un accueil dont l’objectif est de déterminer, en fonction de son projet, [COLOR="Red"][SIZE="3"]si[/SIZE] le candidat a choisi le bon diplôme et la bonne université,[/COLOR] le candidat doit constituer un dossier détaillé et argumenté mettant en évidence son potentiel, ses compétences acquises au cours de son itinéraire professionnel, en lien avec la certification demandée. Le candidat pourra être accompagné durant sa démarche par les conseillers en VAE de l’université et les enseignants.
Après inscription du candidat à l’université, si sa demande est recevable, le jury nommé par le président d’université, comportant des professionnels et une majorité d’enseignants chercheurs, expertisera le dossier et recevra le candidat. Il délivrera le diplôme ou indiquera les connaissances que devra acquérir le candidat pour l’obtenir en totalité.
En outre, après délibération d’une commission de VAE, un candidat pourra être autorisé à entrer en formation continue sur présentation d’un dossier.
L’évaluation par "mise en situation" : Dans ce mode d’évaluation, le candidat doit démontrer par des réalisations concrètes les compétences attendues et ce, dans les conditions d’exercice proches du contexte professionnel réel : en entreprise ou sur le plateau technique d'un centre de formation.
VAE IN ENGLISH...? THE FAULTY EXAMPLE SOME MAKE...
http://www.dauphine.fr/en/training-and-d...S=&print=1
I am afraid it is just a page of the portal translated into English (
http://www.dauphine.fr/en/welcome.html ) much like
http://www-ulp.u-strasbg.fr/en/bienvenue/; here is the Spanish version:
http://www-ulp.u-strasbg.fr/es/bienvenue/
Beware of people online who mention mysterious lists of FRENCH universities supposedly offering VAE in English...but of course cannot produce the list as of now because it came from another site a long time ago and has since been "archived" and no traces is left...
Quote:I think life experience credit (call it what you might) is so much crap. Maybe it's worth 1 year of a bachelors degree. Too many people have worked 20 years on a job and still don't know an asterisk from a hole in the ground. That's why they hire a young snot with a degree to show them how to do things. If you give all 20 year people degrees all you have is a bunch of stupid people with degrees and no-one is any smarter.
In fact French VAE (the government process, not degree mills' hype ) is a very captious and long process; finally, one has to convince a committee made of both academics and experts in the field how it is in
their best interest to grant one a
full degree...in fact they might just grant partial exemptions...plus one may be asked to further prove one's skills in a controlled environment.
Of course 'life experience' is a big word...one may have worked 20 years as insurance agent and have acquired some gift of the gab (a cold caller has more of it ) and superficial knowledge of the law in the field; the bulk of his knowledge, however, concerns procedures and lifestyle typical of the one -or the few- companies he may have worked with, which may or may not apply to another employer.
That is why legitimate PLAR schemes exist everywhere, but in spite of being much talked about, one can count legitimate degrees entirely awarded on a PLAR basis.
To know more about Université francophone Robert de Sorbon alternatively called Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon, see
here.