"Degree Mill Ray" puts the final nail in the Sorbon coffin...

[D00bie]

Probably they were near dead anyways. But Robert Hill posted the end of the line for Sorbon. Anyone still defending this sham is beyond hope.

The damning evidence is located on DegreeBored:

http://forums.degreeboard.com/showthread...98&page=10

[Don Dresden]

Probably they were near dead anyways. But Robert Hill posted the end of the line for Sorbon.  Anyone still defending this sham is beyond hope.

The damning evidence is located on DegreeBored:

http://forums.degreeboard.com/showthread...98&page=10

It's good news that the Rev. Dr. R.R. Hill has seen the light.  That sort of research effort is outstanding.  It's just a shame he didn't take the trouble before he dropped $500 on a useless degree.  

That's an expensive bit of research, although I hear there's people who spent $40,000 researching a book on hookers, so it could have been worse.

Since I am pretty much beyond hope, I will defend the sham to some extent by raising these points.  

The email from Jean Tapie, Rectorat de l'académie de Poitiers, states that "Sorbon is not a legal private establishment in France. It is not recognized by the ministry for national education."  

The Sorbon website states that Sorbon

...is registered by the French Government under # 0862003720 and published at the Journal officiel of the French Republic (# 1669 of # 39 - 136º année)....It has a SIRET and SIREN number and is tax (VAT) exempt as an "Etablissement d'Enseignement Supérieur privé sans but lucratif". It is a not for profit organization.

If, as the Sorbon website states, Sorbon is a duly established French non-profit organziation, then Tapie's statement that it is "not a legal private establishment in France" could be incorrect.  So the first point seems like it should be fairly easy to verifiy.  And if Sorbon indeed is registered and numbered as claimed, this reflects negatively on the credibility of Tapie.

The next sentence, that Sorbon is not recognized by the ministry for national education, seems ambiguous.  As we know, in Denmark, for example, a school does not need to be approved by the government to grant degrees.  In such places "recognition," whatever that might entail, is necessary only if the school is taking government money.  Tapie didn't say that Sorbon is, for example, "illegal" or in any way acting contrary to French law, only that it wasn't recognized by the French government.  So some clarification of that point seems necessary before it can be taken as a "coffin nail."

Also, what I found most disturbing about this, is the statement by Jean-Marie Lebon, Educationalist, that

A small search on google, ask, yahoo, etc, brings you several US official documents listing this "school" as bogus. Please find three of these documents here.

Perhaps some of that got lost in the translation, and I didn't see the three documents referred to.  But the gist of it seemed to be that, of course it's bogus, because it's on Oregon's list of bogus schools.  The French apparently have surrendered their sovereignty to Gay Al.  

All the "degrees" delivered by "University Robert de Sorbon" are totally useless. They have names - really funny - to escape the French law.

So all it takes is a funny name to escape French law?  No wonder the Schutzstaffel had such success.  Looking at the Sorbon degree list, I didn't see anything "funny" about their names.  To what exactly is this person referring?  

I'm not saying Sorbon isn't all that and more, just that the French don't seem to be able to articulate it with the degree of precision one would expect from government agencies, even French government agencies.  If it really is a mill you wouldn't think they would have such a hard time saying so.  Is there, for example, a French government website that says they are bogus?   Is there a French Minister of Funny Names that says its degrees are bogus?  If that's a coffin nail I see why Jim Morrison got buried in France.  

[ham]

I exposed ECOLE SUPERIEURE ROBERT DE SORBON the days it first appeared at degreeinfo.
Then 'they' made me disappear and went on debating...and debating...and debating again that junk provider as if there was something to discuss...
These DE/DL pundits (Bear, Gollin, Contreras etc ) are as good as a holed dime...
That is why i am convinced they do give press to degree mills under the cover to criticize them.
Ray Hill is another mental case... he defended them as his own flesh and blood and years later discover all there is is some African guy with a laser printer in a basement...

If, as the Sorbon website states, Sorbon is a duly established French non-profit organziation, then Tapie's statement that it is "not a legal private establishment in France" could be incorrect. So the first point seems like it should be fairly easy to verifiy. And if Sorbon indeed is registered and numbered as claimed, this reflects negatively on the credibility of Tapie.

i can register for VAT a $300 Belize corporation with 'university' in its name and appear in the journal...is that a 'university'?
An illegal alien laying his carpet on a sidewalk to sell fake Prada from China is 'established' as well...

[Little Arminius]

I think that Bob Hill's heart is in the right place; the problem is that his brain happens to be in a different one. What the hell was RRH thinking about when he decided to conduct his own investigation on Ecole Robert de Sorbon, followed by that very bizarre exchange of emails with George Gollin?  

[Albert Hidel]

What the hell was RRH thinking...

He must not have ever watched the movie The Godfather.  When Luca Brazzi pretends to go over to the other side, he winds up taking the piscatorial siesta.

[Ben Johnson]

Hill flops more than a fish on the dock, hell even more than Dr. French.

[ham]

I think that Bob Hill's heart is in the right place; the problem is that his brain happens to be in a different one. What the hell was RRH thinking about when he decided to conduct his own investigation on Ecole Robert de Sorbon, followed by that very bizarre exchange of emails with George Gollin?

probably he wanted to stitch together a second virginity for himself turning on his old employers...
the clowns at DI-DD just love mental cases who "saw the light" minutes ago, like they did...
and another important notion:

MOST UNIVERSITIES ON THIS PLANET OFFER PLAR/EXPERIENCE/PORTFOLIO OPTIONS TO GET A DEGREE. BUT IT IS NOT JUST "MAIL-IN A QUESTIONNAIRE & GET A DEGREE FOR $300" THING. AND COURSES IN RESIDENCE ARE REQUIRED ( 30 TO 40%+ OF TOTAL ).


So claiming no "traditional" university offers PLAR provisions, and that we need some dodgy basement operation by African guys from Malawi who are "exploiting a loophole" in the French law (and hurry to send those $300 before midnight or the deal will expire! How many times have we heard THIS one? ) is very weird.
Sure, I know of NO traditional university offering 100% PLAR degrees, unless we talk about some UK "degrees for published work"...