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RE: Gollin's Tit in the Wringer - Fort Bragg - 08-17-2008
Little Arminius Wrote:I can't recall him ever having posted a positive comment about any DL school or program. You would think that out of all the schools that have come across the Gollin radar but been "cleared", he would made a positive comment on at least one.
Do you really think that he thinks any school that isn't Ivy League rates a keystroke of positive comments? I'm sure he thinks Podunk State U. = St. Regis U. except for a few technicalities. Remember that he is totally ignorant of distance education and is simply playing to a receptive audience at DD.
RE: Gollin's Tit in the Wringer - Brian Crawford - 08-17-2008
ham Wrote:Quote:All kidding aside, Gollin is highly intelligent and holds a very respectable position in the academic world.
...and he is known to outsiders for trolling on online forums talking about distance education, which he has no direct expertise of.
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You would think that out of all the schools that have come across the Gollin radar but been "cleared", he would made a positive comment on at least one. (e.g. "I have looked into ABC University and, with the assistance of associates, have determined that while they are unaccredited at this time, they are attempting to provide legitimate instruction. They show no signs of being a mill and may one day be on the road to accreditation.") This is something Bear did in the earlier editions of Bear's Guide to help differentiate between mills and legitimate unaccredited schools. [/quote]
The is the major part of the problem with George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin), his ego will never allow him to admit he was wrong about anything. That would demonstrate a weakness and as far as he;s concerned, he has none. The same applies to John Bear, you have never seen him reverse his initial opinion of an unaccredited school but, at least the next addition of his book will have the new slant the way his sees it.
George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) will target a school or individual in his role as a university professor to lend credibility to his lack of same. He has zero expertise in distance education or distance degree programs and touts his position as a university professor to make himself appear as though he knows that business. After all, schools are a business which educates people (students) but it is still a business.
George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) is an educated idiot with no common sense. When you screw up, be a man and admit it.
The other issue with George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) is that he is not qualified to be a CHEA member. When first appointed to CHEA and boasting about it on the forums, he was asked an accreditation question and had no clue.
RE: Gollin's Tit in the Wringer - Someone - 08-18-2008
Very astute comments! I think it would be educational on a very personal level for George Gollin to read these posts. Although there's no need to suggest that, we all know he checks this forum every day before breakfast.
It is clear that Gollin is not a dispassionate academic who just happened to come across in his personal experience (as he claims) the way diploma mills operate and, realizing the damage being done to higher education, decided to do something about it. An academic with no other motive but the integrity of higher education, would have first of all alerted academia, then, alerted the proper authorities and, finally, perhaps publish some articles in appropriate publications warning people about diploma mills. Probably, he would have also maintained some contacts with the right people, so that he could be informed from time to time about developments in the process of elimination of the scourge of diploma mills by the proper authorities.
Gollin has done all that, but he has also, at the same time, been conducting himself in a manner uncharacteristic of an objective, cool academic whose only interest is higher education. Some of the telltale signs that his involvement is deeply personal include:
1. The frequency of his posting updated information at degrediscussion, his interviews to the media and other such activities indicate that he devotes a lot of his time in this pursuit. If we also took into account the background work necessary for these public activities, it would seem that he probably devotes most of his time in this on a daily basis. One would wonder whether this has become the main preoccupation in his life, superseding his interest in his profession and his family.
2. Although through his ceaseless research efforts he has been exposing a large number of mills worldwide, he doesn't appear to do anything to initiate action against most of them. Some notorious international mills have only been mentioned by him once or twice and that only in passing. He seems obsessed on a very personal level with specific mills and the people associated with them, even people who may have been associated with them long ago, some of them circumstantially or even accidentally. He seems to be relentless against these people and although he usually tries to maintain a moderate and restrained tone in his writing, the strong undercurrents of glee and malice are quite obvious even to the casual reader.
3. When a mill he is obsessed with and the people associated with it are out of the way, instead of concentrating his efforts on one or more other mills that are still active and thriving, he continues to regurgitate old facts about the defunct mill and the people directly or indirectly associated with it.
4. It seems he is obsessed with specific people who were associated to varying degrees with specific mills. When these people disappear from the picture for a long time, and despite his frantic efforts he cannot find anything new on them, he reminds other posters about these people and inquires whether other people may have any news about them. It would seem that he actually "misses" these people in a certain way.
Of course, the above four signs are not exhaustive of the telltale signs of Gollin's unhealthy personal obsession that has nothing to do with an academic's objective, dispassionate interest in higher education.
RE: Gollin's Tit in the Wringer - Someone - 08-18-2008
Gollin has been paying a heavy price, not because he is after diploma mills, but because of the obsessive and unhealthy way he's been handling it.
The first page results of a Google search on his name include a number of hits entitled "George Gollin Academic Fraud", etc. Some of his "supporters" on other forums may claim that Gollin has a solid reputation and nobody who counts would take any notice of such obvious slander. Well, unfortunately for Gollin we all know and he knows that this is not so. Even people who know him well, including colleagues, friends, family and relatives will wonder what is wrong. They will probably never mention anything to him, but they may be discussing it among themselves. It would be even worse with people who don't know him personally. Let's not forget the power sayings such as, "There's no smoke without a fire" have in shaping people's perceptions of a situation or an individual.
RE: Gollin's Tit in the Wringer - ham - 08-19-2008
well, unfortunately it's another edition of the evergreen 'internet millionaire and superhero' show.
How many times have I met online, and been summarily antagonized by, these all-wonderful people who all claim to be say a millionaire neurosurgeon who just won this underground death tournament with a flying reverse spinning kick in slow motion...
You name it, they are there: millionaires, music industry moguls, MTV award winners, neurosurgeons, nuclear and robotics engineers...on top of whichever glamorous profession you may think of, raking in money like hay...
Which desperately begs the equally desperate question why are they wasting time picking fights or nit-picking online with other faceless aliases, in most cases with several thousands of posts.
What, isn't there any atomic reaction to defuse or another million to make?
Is there any difference between them and the 15yo punk wop kid who impersonated a steroid guru online...?
Both have/had a retinue of hardcore partisans in spite of it all...
At least John Bear made a fortune selling books and Thomas Chip White wanted to camouflage his gay teen porn empire with the thin veneer of education crusader...it's not a chance they are the idols of the gang.
Even after the gay teen porn scandal, degreeinfo is there; John Bear 's exploits masterminding 'unaccredited' schools didn't prevent him from making a fortune as education authority.
RE: Gollin's Tit in the Wringer - Brian Crawford - 08-19-2008
Someone Wrote:Very astute comments! I think it would be educational on a very personal level for George Gollin to read these posts. Although there's no need to suggest that, we all know he checks this forum every day before breakfast.
It is clear that Gollin is not a dispassionate academic who just happened to come across in his personal experience (as he claims) the way diploma mills operate and, realizing the damage being done to higher education, decided to do something about it. An academic with no other motive but the integrity of higher education, would have first of all alerted academia, then, alerted the proper authorities and, finally, perhaps publish some articles in appropriate publications warning people about diploma mills. Probably, he would have also maintained some contacts with the right people, so that he could be informed from time to time about developments in the process of elimination of the scourge of diploma mills by the proper authorities.
Gollin has done all that, but he has also, at the same time, been conducting himself in a manner uncharacteristic of an objective, cool academic whose only interest is higher education. Some of the telltale signs that his involvement is deeply personal include:
1. The frequency of his posting updated information at degrediscussion, his interviews to the media and other such activities indicate that he devotes a lot of his time in this pursuit. If we also took into account the background work necessary for these public activities, it would seem that he probably devotes most of his time in this on a daily basis. One would wonder whether this has become the main preoccupation in his life, superseding his interest in his profession and his family.
2. Although through his ceaseless research efforts he has been exposing a large number of mills worldwide, he doesn't appear to do anything to initiate action against most of them. Some notorious international mills have only been mentioned by him once or twice and that only in passing. He seems obsessed on a very personal level with specific mills and the people associated with them, even people who may have been associated with them long ago, some of them circumstantially or even accidentally. He seems to be relentless against these people and although he usually tries to maintain a moderate and restrained tone in his writing, the strong undercurrents of glee and malice are quite obvious even to the casual reader.
3. When a mill he is obsessed with and the people associated with it are out of the way, instead of concentrating his efforts on one or more other mills that are still active and thriving, he continues to regurgitate old facts about the defunct mill and the people directly or indirectly associated with it.
4. It seems he is obsessed with specific people who were associated to varying degrees with specific mills. When these people disappear from the picture for a long time, and despite his frantic efforts he cannot find anything new on them, he reminds other posters about these people and inquires whether other people may have any news about them. It would seem that he actually "misses" these people in a certain way.
Of course, the above four signs are not exhaustive of the telltale signs of Gollin's unhealthy personal obsession that has nothing to do with an academic's objective, dispassionate interest in higher education.
Many of my points about George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin). He began this crusade telling everyone it was just a hobby after seeing pop-ups on university computers which annoyed him about getting your university degree online. Most of us find this excuse as bullshit being familiar with university IT departments.
Imagine if you will one of his current or former students looking up George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) on the web and finding the many articles about him, his wife selling pigs or his daughter's posts about her lesbian activities or mother not liking people of different faiths.
With all of George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) attention spent on finding fault with others and then tracking down their employers and area newspapers to get credit for that which he found. How much time is being taken away from his present students, his department duties while using university letterhead, faxes and telephones to accomplish his passion.
George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) is one of those odd-ball university professors like that nut who said all of the people in the world trade centers deserved what they got.
RE: Gollin's Tit in the Wringer - ham - 08-19-2008
Quote:George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) is one of those odd-ball university professors like that nut who said all of the people in the world trade centers deserved what they got.
http://www.dltruth.com/showthread.php?tid=63
as i said, it isn't amazing that 'professor' had an opinion many find distasteful...that's life... what IS amazing is that his employers and ultimately the government covered the man's a$$ on a number of issues not related to opinion, like deliberate, repeated and systematic plagiarism or identity theft when he pretended to be an Indian to be hired under 'diversity quotas' etc...
Now he hadn't killed anybody, and his venial sins
went unnoticed for most of his life...until one day big brother oh-suddenly came to its senses and realized he was oh-a-plagiarist and oh-a-liar...Remark that Ward Churchill's scholarly highlight consisted in publishing native-indian advocacy stuff...yet his fraudulent Indian persona went unnoticed all that time...
Hmm...
Maybe one of these days, just maybe, good old mr.professor might -just might- find that big brother has come to its senses regarding him too, and his trivial sins no longer go unnoticed.
RE: Gollin's Tit in the Wringer - Brian Crawford - 08-19-2008
ham Wrote:Quote:George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) is one of those odd-ball university professors like that nut who said all of the people in the world trade centers deserved what they got.
http://www.dltruth.com/showthread.php?tid=63
as i said, it isn't amazing that 'professor' had an opinion many find distasteful...that's life... what IS amazing is that his employers and ultimately the government covered the man's a$$ on a number of issues not related to opinion, like deliberate, repeated and systematic plagiarism or identity theft when he pretended to be an Indian to be hired under 'diversity quotas' etc...
Now he hadn't killed anybody, and his venial sins
Remark that Ward Churchill's scholarly highlight consisted in publishing native-indian advocacy stuff...yet his fraudulent Indian persona went unnoticed all that time...
Hmm...
Maybe one of these days, just maybe, good old mr.professor might -just might- find that big brother has come to its senses regarding him too, and his trivial sins no longer go unnoticed.
Ward Churchill Fired
Just like George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) will end up. Another one who uses his position at a major university for his own personal agenda, Ward Churchill was fired.
CU regents fire Churchill after Sept. 11 remarks
By DAN ELLIOTT
Associated Press Writer
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July 24, 2007, 9:01 PM EDT
BOULDER, Colo. -- The University of Colorado Board of Regents on Tuesday fired Ward Churchill, the professor whose remarks likening some Sept. 11 victims to Nazi Adolf Eichmann provoked national outrage and led to an investigation of research misconduct.
Churchill vowed to sue after the 8-1 vote was announced, saying: "New game, new game."
CU President Hank Brown said "the decision was really pretty basic" based on the school's findings of plagiarism, falsification and other infractions involving work unrelated to Churchill's remarks on the Sept. 11 victims. Brown said the school had little choice but to fire Churchill to protect the integrity of the university's research.
"The individual did not express regret, did not apologize, did not indicate a willingness to refrain from this type of falsification in the future," Brown said.
"Do you, at an institution that has a fundamental role in basic research for our society, accept the continued presence of someone who shows a pattern of wanting to continue to falsify research?" Brown said.
"I am going nowhere," Churchill told reporters, calling the academic investigation "a farce" and "a fraud."
Churchill's attorney, David Lane, said the decision was retribution for Churchill's 9/11 remarks and said he would file suit on Wednesday.
"For the public at large, the message is there will be a payback for free speech," Lane said. "It sends a message out to the academic community generally that if you stick your neck out and make politically inflammatory comments, you will be dragged through the mud for two years and you will ultimately have your tenure terminated."
The university's allegations against Churchill included misrepresenting the effects of federal laws on American Indians, fabricating evidence that the Army deliberately spread smallpox to Mandan Indians in 1837, and claiming the work of a Canadian environmental group as his own.
But the essay that thrust Churchill into the national spotlight, titled "Some People Push Back: On the Justice of Roosting Chickens," was not part of the investigation.
That essay and a follow-up book argued that the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks were a response to a long history of U.S. abuses. Churchill said those killed in the World Trade Center collapse were "a technocratic corps at the very heart of America's global financial empire" and called them "little Eichmanns."
Churchill wrote the piece shortly after the attacks, but it drew little notice until 2005, when a professor at Hamilton College in upstate New York called attention to it when Churchill was invited to speak there.
In the uproar that followed, the Regents apologized to "all Americans" for the essay and the Colorado Legislature labeled Churchill's remarks "evil and inflammatory."
Bill Owens, then governor of Colorado, said Churchill should be fired, and George Pataki, then governor of New York, called Churchill a "bigoted terrorist supporter."
School officials concluded Churchill couldn't be dismissed because he was exercising his First Amendment rights. But they launched the investigation into his research in other work.
Tuesday's lone "no" vote came from Cindy Carlisle, who Regents Chairwoman Pat Hayes said agreed with the findings but disagreed with the penalty. Carlisle was not immediately available for comment.
While acknowledging Churchill's First Amendment rights, Democratic Rep. Mark Udall declared that Churchill's actions "have gone far beyond giving voice to reprehensible points of views.
"As much as Ward Churchill would like us to believe otherwise, today's dismissal is about his academic conduct. He has been found to have falsified facts and sources and to have outright plagiarized others' work," Udall said in a statement.
A faculty committee and an interim chancellor had recommended Churchill be fired. When a second committee reviewed the case, three of its five members recommended a suspension. The other two said he should be fired.
Churchill remained on the university payroll but has been out of the classroom since the spring of 2006, first because he was on leave and later because the school relieved him of teaching duties after the interim chancellor recommended he be fired.
That that is how George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) will end up. http://www.dltruth.com/showthread.php?tid=63
RE: Gollin's Tit in the Wringer - Fort Bragg - 08-19-2008
Ward Churchill said that the US treated other countries like crap and 9/11 was payback. But that's true. Isn't it just possible that the US has done something to deserve the negative image it has in much of the world?
The punishment meted out to Churchill is all too common for people with politically incorrect ideas. A doctor who criticizes the medical establishment suddenly finds himself before a disciplinary committee for poor procedure on an ingrown toenail. Complaints that are routinely dismissed take on huge importance.
A random website:
http://openanthropology.wordpress.com/2008/07/22/finally-ward-churchills-lawsuit-goes-to-court-in-2009/
RE: Gollin's Tit in the Wringer - ham - 08-19-2008
Fort Bragg Wrote:Ward Churchill said that the US treated other countries like crap and 9/11 was payback. But that's true. Isn't it just possible that the US has done something to deserve the negative image it has in much of the world?
The punishment meted out to Churchill is all too common for people with politically incorrect ideas. A doctor who criticizes the medical establishment suddenly finds himself before a disciplinary committee for poor procedure on an ingrown toenail. Complaints that are routinely dismissed take on huge importance.
A random website:
http://openanthropology.wordpress.com/2008/07/22/finally-ward-churchills-lawsuit-goes-to-court-in-2009/
big brother is as treacherous and vile as a snake.
I'll say it again and again...
What is frightening is not the bellyaching over some 'politically incorrect' remarks that were engineered by their author to sound all the more sensational than the underlying conjecture would warrant...in fact, while it is true that trying to play world's cop and invading countries does bring retaliation, Churchill's article is deliberately sensational
http://www.kersplebedeb.com/mystuff/s11/churchill.html
In fact it mixes all sorts of things into one...
the 1990 operation to free Kuwait cannot be compared with the recent invasion.
Second, it over exaggerates the importance of the Twin Towers personnel...
Sure, you may have had (as some theories claim) 'secret offices' or 'underground intelligence headquarters', but the vast bulk of people were little Joes going to work and perhaps tourists visiting the skyscraper.
Third, he unmercifully scorches capitalism, yet forgets to add that it's from the same mill that comes the moolah for 'affirmative actions' and princely 'welfare schemes' that make the delight of so many of his 'oppressed' Africans and Indians...you cannot expose blood-stained money only when it's not coming into your pockets.
Fourth, he conveniently underplays the role of fundamentalism that none else denies. Sure, maybe the mass of gullible Muslim zealots is duped by skilled and ruthless politicians posing as theologians while orchestrating secular agendas, much like western gullible zealots are duped by equally skilled and ruthless politicians who are interested in oil but tell you that they are in bringing porn cable TV and barber's shops to oppressed foreigners...yet fundamentalism exists.
Centuries after the crusades, muslim Turks were trying to capture Vienna...what about the wonderful roman civilization in northern Africa, or the Greek-byzantine one in the middle east, that had flourished for centuries?
They were wiped like dog crap from muslim invaders' boots, so let's not pretend they are like the Indians...