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Quote:James Lewis

Who is this jackass?
I bet he emptied that bargain bin full of Chuck Norris VHSs from the 1980s...
Let me tell you, mr. conservative...
Your great Big GrinRolleyes country elected a mulatto whose main title was having an interracial profligate and amateur porn star as a mother and an African, radical activist as a father; he had been educated in a Muslim school and perhaps wasn't even born in the country...
You saluted that as the next great step since edible underwear and instructed even the scum countries you occupy in Europe to elect people of color...
And you talk about profiling people according to skin color, odd religious/political beliefs, red flag ancestry and names?
Hell, one fourth of US population including the great leader would fail your test instantly...

You make fun of political correctness?
But if you chickenhawks have a menarche and file a report every time a seventeen years old so-called skinhead posts over the internet because that means Rommel's panzers will be marching down your block by Friday if no new thought crime law is enacted?
PFFT!

Islamofascists?
What's that, a cute neologism you learnt from some fifteen years old with ADD?
Next time you shop at the bargain bin, leave Chuck Norris alone and watch one of the many movies in which you heroes helped radical muslims...pardon, freedom fighters against the Russians...
ham Wrote:Hell, one fourth of US population including the great leader would fail your test instantly...

Uh - yeh.
ham Wrote:
Quote:James Lewis

Who is this jackass?
I bet he emptied that bargain bin full of Chuck Norris VHSs from the 1980s...

Well ham, if you liked that one I know you will love this one...

On Terrorism it's Time to Know, to Profile, and to Discriminate
Quote:by Newt Gingrich
12/30/2009

After the Christmas Day near disaster in Detroit, it is time for Americans to demand effective anti-terrorist actions.

Over eight years after 9/11 and 30 years after the Iranian illegal seizure of the United States embassy and the 444 day Iranian hostage crisis, Washington is still avoiding being intellectually honest about the war we are in.

Our Politically Correct Government is Making Life More Miserable For the Innocent

America is long overdue for a serious global strategy that includes targeting threats such as the terrorist killer at Fort Hood, the individuals recently arrested in Detroit, Denver and New York, and the five Americans detained in Pakistan.

The scale, persistence and sophistication of the enemy requires an honesty, a clarity, and a scale appropriate to the response.

Once again, instead of targeting the source of the threats, our politically correct government decides to make life more miserable for the travelling public by imposing hopelessly meaningless rules such as not allowing passengers to leave their seats in the last hour of the flight.  Bound by cultural sensitivities, the default reaction of the bureaucracy is to review the procedures and wring its hands ineffectively.

Today, because our elites fear politically incorrect honesty, they believe that it is better to harass the innocent, delay the harmless, and risk the lives of every American than to do the obvious, the effective, and the necessary.

It’s Time to Be Honest About What We Know

Before a lot more Americans are killed we must acquire the courage to tell the truth and to act on that truth.

It is time to be honest about what we know.

We know our opponents are radical extremists of the irreconcilable wing of Islam (Islamists, some would call them).

We know they have an ideology which is anti-female, desires to impose fundamentalist Sharia as a form of law, is hostile to other religions and is prepared to kill the innocent to achieve their goals.

We know how to identify these enemies but our elites have refused to do so.

Protecting the Rights of Terrorists Has Been More Important than Protecting the Lives of Americans

In the Obama Administration, protecting the rights of terrorists has been more important than protecting the lives of Americans.

That must now change decisively.

It is time to know more about would-be terrorists, to profile for terrorists and to actively discriminate based on suspicious terrorist information.

The United States should track down the owners of every website that promotes terrorism and systematically root them out.  It should be as dangerous to a person promoting terrorism as it is to execute an act of terrorism.

The same should apply to the electronic communications of every known radical (and using these communications to track down every unknown radical).

The United States Must Actively Root Out Every Terrorist Website

The people behind these websites should be barred from getting a U.S. visa if not in the United States (concurrently, we should make it easier -- not harder -- for non-terrorists to get visas because we want to encourage the law abiding while discriminating against the potential terrorist).

An integrated data base for threats should have been expected, we now learn that it does not exist.  This must be fixed.

It should be reasonable for the flying public to have expected that when the Nigerian terrorist's father reported he was going to a terrorist training camp he should automatically have been barred from getting a visa and from flying into the United States.

We Need a “Grand National Strategy” That is Bigger Than the Debate Over Afghanistan

The emergence of Yemen as the new planning, equipping, and training center for terrorism should remind us we need a worldwide "grand national strategy" (to use the World War II term) that is far bigger than our current debate over Afghanistan.

Americans should also note that ABC News is reporting that two of the plotters to blow the Amsterdam to Detroit flight out of the air were released from Guantanamo in 2007, attended an “art rehabilitation program” in Saudi Arabia, were released and took up senior leadership positions in al Qaeda in Yemen.  Americans should also know that nearly half of the remaining detainees in Guantanamo are from Yemen.

The recent arrest of five Americans in Pakistan and the report there are 25 British citizens training to be bombers in Yemen should remind us this is a global war.

Moreover, the report that 74 Guantanamo detainees who have been released are back in the war trying to kill Americans should stop any further effort to close Guantanamo or to release terrorists.

The New Honesty Should End Any Thought of a Civilian Trial in New York for KSM

This new honesty about the threat should end any thought of a civilian trial in New York for 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammad with its dangers for exposing American intelligence information.  All terrorists including would-be bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab should be tried in military tribunals as part of a serious war strategy.

The Attorney General and every Justice Department appointee whose law firms provided pro bono counsel for terrorists should be fired and replaced with lawyers who believe the lives of Americans are more important than the rights of terrorists.

The United States must have a policy of effective interrogation to understand our enemies and disrupt their planned attacks (read Marc Thiessen’s column from yesterday).

We Need a New Homeland Security Secretary Who Knows We Need a New Strategy

Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano's claim that the Detroit bomber was allowed to board a plan with explosives hidden in his underwear proved the system worked is proof we need a new Homeland Security Secretary who knows we need a new strategy and a new focus.

These are the first steps toward defeating the extremists.

We should take them before there is a tragic attack that kills a lot of people.

We have been warned. Again.

Will we now act?
ham Wrote:But if you chickenhawks have a menarche and file a report every time a seventeen years old so-called skinhead posts over the internet because that means Rommel's panzers will be marching down your block by Friday if no new thought crime law is enacted?
PFFT!

I don't very often catch your point, but I enjoy the way you express it. Big Grin

Here's another for you, ham:

Ivana Trump Escorted Off Plane: Napolitano Declares 'The System Worked'
Quote:by Ann Coulter
12/30/2009

In response to a Nigerian Muslim trying to blow up a flight from Amsterdam to Detroit on Christmas Day, the government will now prohibit international travelers from going to the bathroom in the last hour before the plane lands.

Terrorists who plan to bomb planes during the first seven hours of the eight-hour flight, however, should face no difficulties, provided they wait until after the complimentary beverage service has been concluded.

How do they know Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab didn't wait until the end of the flight to try to detonate explosives because he heard the stewardess announce that the food service was over and seats would have to be placed in their upright position? I can't finish my snack? This plane is going down!

Also prohibited in the last hour of international flights will be: blankets, pillows, computers and in-flight entertainment. Another triumph in Janet Napolitano's "Let's stay one step behind the terrorists" policy!

For the past eight years, approximately 2 million Americans a day have been subjected to humiliating searches at airport security checkpoints, forced to remove their shoes and jackets, to open their computers, and to remove all liquids from their carry-on bags, except minuscule amounts in marked 3-ounce containers placed in Ziploc plastic bags -- folding sandwich bags are verboten -- among other indignities.

This, allegedly, was the price we had to pay for safe airplanes. The one security precaution the government refused to consider was to require extra screening for passengers who looked like the last three-dozen terrorists to attack airplanes.

Since Muslims took down Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988, every attack on a commercial airliner has been committed by foreign-born Muslim men with the same hair color, eye color and skin color. Half of them have been named Mohammed.

An alien from the planet "Not Politically Correct" would have surveyed the situation after 9/11 and said: "You are at war with an enemy without uniforms, without morals, without a country and without a leader -- but the one advantage you have is they all look alike. ... What? ... What did I say?"

The only advantage we have in a war with stateless terrorists was ruled out of order ab initio by political correctness.

And so, despite 5 trillion Americans opening laptops, surrendering lip gloss and drinking breast milk in airports day after day for the past eight years, the government still couldn't stop a Nigerian Muslim from nearly blowing up a plane over Detroit on Christmas Day.

The "warning signs" exhibited by this particular passenger included the following:

His name was Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab.

He's Nigerian.

He's a Muslim.

His name was Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab.

He boarded a plane in Lagos, Nigeria.

He paid nearly $3,000 in cash for his ticket.

He had no luggage.

His name was Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab.

Two months ago, his father warned the U.S. that he was a radical Muslim and possibly dangerous.

If our security procedures can't stop this guy, can't we just dispense with those procedures altogether? What's the point exactly?

(To be fair, the father's warning might have been taken more seriously if he had not simultaneously asked for the U.S. Embassy's Social Security number and bank routing number in order to convey a $28 million inheritance that was trapped in a Nigerian bank account.)

The warning from Abdulmutallab's father put his son on some list, but not the "no fly" list. Apparently, it's tougher to get on the "no fly" list than it was to get into Studio 54 in the '70s. Currently, the only people on the "no fly" list" are the Blind Sheik and Sean Penn.

The government is like the drunk looking for his keys under a lamppost. Someone stops to help, and asks, "Is this where you lost them?" No, the drunk answers, but the light's better here.

The government refuses to perform the only possibly effective security check -- search Muslims -- so instead it harasses infinitely compliant Americans. Will that help avert a terrorist attack? No, but the Americans don't complain.

The only reason Abdulmutallab didn't succeed in bringing down an airplane with 278 passengers was that: (1) A brave Dutchman leapt from his seat and extinguished the smoldering Nigerian; and (2) the Nigerian apparently didn't have enough detonating fluid to cause a powerful explosion.

In addition to the no blanket, no computer, no bathroom rule, perhaps the airlines could add this to their preflight announcement about seat belts and emergency exits: "Should a passenger sitting near you attempt to detonate an explosive device, you may be called upon to render emergency assistance. Would you be willing to do so under those circumstances? If not we will assign you another seat ..."
Quote:Bound by cultural sensitivities, the default reaction of the bureaucracy is to review the procedures and wring its hands ineffectively.

Today, because our elites fear politically incorrect honesty, they believe that it is better to harass the innocent, delay the harmless, and risk the lives of every American than to do the obvious, the effective, and the necessary.

They all talk about that stuff as if it had come on a meteor from the Kuyper belt...it was America's great contribution to the western world next to defeating Germany last time I checked...

Quote:The United States should track down the owners of every website that promotes terrorism and systematically root them out.  It should be as dangerous to a person promoting terrorism as it is to execute an act of terrorism.

The same should apply to the electronic communications of every known radical (and using these communications to track down every unknown radical).

Wasn't Nazi Germany a garrison and police State you constantly bellyache about?
I'll tell you what, mr. conservative...
Want to kick terrorists in the groin?
Convert vehicles to non-oil fuel and spare 50% oil...which in turn translates in 50% less funds routed to so-called terrorists and radicals...but that cannot happen until your bosses keep cashing cheques from the oil cartel.
Easier to go after some seventeen years old online...
In doing that, do not forget websites critical of Israel, Zionism and the like...that's akin to third degree murder to me; I am sure that will boost contributions to your clan.

Quote:All terrorists including would-be bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab should be tried in military tribunals as part of a serious war strategy.

Why not reactivate one of those gas chambers everybody talks about?
But weren't all those people of color coming en masse to help western economy thrive? Wasn't a horrible crime to sink a boat full of them?

Quote:I don't very often catch your point, but I enjoy the way you express it.

I agree menarche was a difficult word for many, sorry...
Dennis Ruhl Wrote:As long as they keep strip searching nuns, the world is a safe place.  Apparently the jackass didn't have any luggage, didn't even have a passport, and had a bomb.  He was on the big lookout list and had a name that fit the profile.  Give me a break.  Where are all the good rent-a-cops?  At the malls?  They were probably strip searching a nun when he went through.

Homeland Security, CIA, FBI, CTU, George Gollin, Obama, et al, and they can't stop a Muslim Bomber getting on a US flight! Me thinks the US Government is quite happy to see a few planes to go down - then it can continue to pontificate. Otherwise they'd get Jack Bauer on the job.
DR ANATIDAE Wrote:
Dennis Ruhl Wrote:As long as they keep strip searching nuns, the world is a safe place.  Apparently the jackass didn't have any luggage, didn't even have a passport, and had a bomb.  He was on the big lookout list and had a name that fit the profile.  Give me a break.  Where are all the good rent-a-cops?  At the malls?  They were probably strip searching a nun when he went through.

Homeland Security, CIA, FBI, CTU, George Gollin, Obama, et al, and they can't stop a Muslim Bomber getting on a US flight! Me thinks the US Government is quite happy to see a few planes to go down - then it can continue to pontificate. Otherwise they'd get Jack Bauer on the job.

The U.S. government is presently led by the most liberal Administration since WWII and yet shows no signs of reversing the policies of its predecessor with respect to the Muslim world. The fact that Mr. O campaigned on reversing exactly those policies is somehow lost on the American public. All except the most radical left-wingers have seemingly accepted it as fait accompli. That the public gives up so easily on issue after issue (which politicians count on), sometimes it's liberals and sometimes it's conservatives, is one cultural characteristic that Americans shouldn should be ashamed of. My best guess is that it is a combination of overall material comfort and a loss of any real deeply-held beliefs.

An example of this is a comment made after the attempted Christmas bombing by my mid-30's cousin. After hearing that no one had been seriously hurt, he asked if I thought that this incident could affect the NFL playoffs (American football) in any way. Before I even answered, his older brother chimed in that he thought it was definitely possible (I didn't even bother to ask him how). Both cousins are college grads, married and gainfully employed but have world views that don't extend far beyond sports and their flat screen TV, twice yearly vacations and Hollywood entertainment. Sad

It is largely the same on gay marriage - they don't approve of it but don't feel strongly enough about it to contact their elected representatives and make their opinions known. There is a strange indifference, they don't agree with it, consider it strange behavior but if the law is changed to allow it, they'll shrug their shoulders and return their attention to the betting line of the College Championship Game. (American football again)
DR ANATIDAE Wrote:Me thinks the US Government is quite happy to see a few planes to go down - then it can continue to pontificate. Otherwise they'd get Jack Bauer on the job.

Roosevelt, the great liberal, knew how to handle criminals of war. Give them a military trial and execute them. I believe he claimed sole jurisdiction based on being commander-in-chief of a country at war and told the Supreme Court to butt out.

http://cryptome.org/prez-killer.htm

Quote:In twenty-six days it was over. All eight were sentenced to death. The generals sent their verdict to the President. Roosevelt, acting, in effect, as the court of last resort, confirmed six of the death sentences, but commuted Burger's sentence to life and Dasch's to thirty years for their willingness to betray their comrades. August 8 was set for the executions, which would take place in the electric chair on the third floor of the District of Columbia jail. Eight weeks had elapsed from the night the first saboteurs had landed on Long Island.


8 weeks from landing to execution and they didn't attempt one act of violence.
Dennis Ruhl Wrote:Roosevelt, the great liberal, knew how to handle criminals of war.  Give them a military trial and execute them.  I believe he claimed sole jurisdiction based on being commander-in-chief of a country at war and told the Supreme Court to butt out.
http://cryptome.org/prez-killer.htm
Quote:In twenty-six days it was over. All eight were sentenced to death. The generals sent their verdict to the President. Roosevelt, acting, in effect, as the court of last resort, confirmed six of the death sentences, but commuted Burger's sentence to life and Dasch's to thirty years for their willingness to betray their comrades. August 8 was set for the executions, which would take place in the electric chair on the third floor of the District of Columbia jail. Eight weeks had elapsed from the night the first saboteurs had landed on Long Island.


8 weeks from landing to execution and they didn't attempt one act of violence.

Some years ago I heard this on the radio from a prominent American criminologist – “Well, they tell me that capital punishment is not a deterrent, but I reckon it’s an excellent deterrent for those getting executed!”
Quote:Some years ago I heard this on the radio from a prominent American criminologist – “Well, they tell me that capital punishment is not a deterrent, but I reckon it’s an excellent deterrent for those getting executed!”

I read in a book of philosophy of law decades ago that the main problem with death penalty is swiftness.
You cannot possibly wait years and years before you execute a prisoner...by that time little hulkamaniacs have forgotten what all was about and are begging to free a poor brother in Christ who has been abused long enough.

Quote:Roosevelt, the great liberal, knew how to handle criminals of war.  Give them a military trial and execute them.

You may not know it, but "special tribunals" are the greatest violation of democratic principles, for one has to know at all times he'll go through the normal justice system.
Again, it's absurd to continuously bemoan stereotypical "Nazi horror" and to suggest the very same methods...torture, concentration camps, special laws/courts, profiling, military actions targeting civilians etc.

Quote:An example of this is a comment made after the attempted Christmas bombing by my mid-30's cousin. After hearing that no one had been seriously hurt, he asked if I thought that this incident could affect the NFL playoffs (American football) in any way. Before I even answered, his older brother chimed in that he thought it was definitely possible (I didn't even bother to ask him how). Both cousins are college grads, married and gainfully employed but have world views that don't extend far beyond sports and their flat screen TV, twice yearly vacations and Hollywood entertainment.

Quote:Americans (but it could be Englishmen or Frenchmen ) have the attention span of a fifteen years old moron on behaviour medications.
In a while they'll be thinking about the next football event, and worrying whether Rufus Neghro the fantastic quarterback is really leaving; or about the new rebate on Macdonald's takeaway meals. Big Grin For the more sophisticated Rolleyes it may be some patriotic call to arms to defend the great nation Big Grin against the evil axis of North Korea, Iran and Venezuela...

Quote:The U.S. government is presently led by the most liberal Administration since WWII and yet shows no signs of reversing the policies of its predecessor with respect to the Muslim world. The fact that Mr. O campaigned on reversing exactly those policies is somehow lost on the American public.

We all know the main reason why a man possibly born out of the country, educated in a Koranic school, son of a radical activist and of a party urinal turned amateur porn star was elected...and that has nothing to do with anything he had to do.
He was elected so that liberals, whiggers, and other left wing radicals could  notch up another impressive victory against racism, bigotry, Adolf Hitler etc etc...nothing more.
He was elected for the same reason they elected a mulatto miss Italy or miss France or miss UK...

Besides, his serenade to AIPAC was described as the most servile in decades...how could he keep Jews on his side and give up hostility towards Arabs?
Just in case you forgot...

Quote:But the Jewish vote remains a key element in battleground states, and, playing a wide variety of roles, Jews have helped to shape the campaigns.

This does not come from Tom Metzger's editorials, but from Jewish periodical Haaretz, Dec 15, 2008:

Quote:36 Jews who have shaped the 2008 U.S. election
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1029302.html

Not that it matters, but look for the many comments accusing Haaretz of being an antisemitic monger of hate...

So suppose he wouldn't care...
How long do you think the press and justice system will take to finally realize he was possibly born out of the country etc etc?
Who's the most dangerous party to displease?
Powerful lobbies or dumb little hulkamaniacs?

Quote:It is largely the same on gay marriage - they don't approve of it but don't feel strongly enough about it to contact their elected representatives and make their opinions known.

Sure, and if they make too much noise they'll get a premium front seat on SPLC's next 'hate report'.
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