http://www.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?t=30734
A judgement of a French court would be fully enforced by an American court. That's the way things work in the world, treaties and such.
By bad mouthing a French school on the internet in France Chip may end up in a French court with a very expensive French lawyer.
By bad mouthing a French school on the internet in France Chip may end up in a French court with a very expensive French lawyer.
ECOLE SUPERIEURE ROBERT DE SORBON is dodgy. Period. Pure and simple.
In comparison, Warnborough IS Harvard. Period (I mean it).
Are we sure ESRDS isn't doing exactly what the French government intended?
All I know is that when ECOLE SUPERIEURE ROBERT DE SORBON emerged I made a few calls and sent a few letters, whose results I made public INSISTING THAT PEOPLE VERIFY THEMSELVES CONTACTING THE OFFICIAL SOURCES I HAD MENTIONED.
See attached one of the many.
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It says (2004): this school is legal; it is an association under law 1901, but it cannot award degrees recognized by the national education ministry.
As recent (2006) introduction of online universities in Italy confirms, proper recognition is needed and permission shall come from no other source than the appropriate ministry.
So it is legal (=most mills ARE legal) but its degrees are unrecognized by the competent authority.
Another one (2004) from the competent Académie:
They say ESRDS adverises itself as an "American university"; that its degrees are not French degrees "such as those that duly recognized universities can award"; they add "the French document you attach [which ESRDS used to "prove" its accreditation ] does in no way constitute a recognition, but A REQUEST FOR MORE INFORMATION TO START A PROCEDURE/OPEN A FILE".
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But American/English speaking suckers are not supposed to read French, or to locate the address of the competent Académie.
Buyer Beware...
I am surprised that they babble back & forth but don't do what I just did in 2004 (it took me an hour or so).
Again, the core assumption is that the average English-speaking audience both cannot understand French (and how things are done in France) AND overall care more about the Bombingham Rednecks playing against the Montana Negroes; more so, the average audience couldn't give a f-ck about VAE (just PLAR in French): they just want a "legally sounding degree" that they hope will convert back to their homeland's so outdated and much despised educational system they wanted nothing to do with, thanks to some "sympathetic" evaluator, like some mr. Prade was once linked to ESRDS and just the way it went with Liberian mills.
The statement that in France accreditation does not exist tells you they are clearly playing on the audience's ignorance of basic facts.
France, Italy etc zealously enforce accreditation, which includes curricula that have to look much the same etc etc; of course one may open a "private&legal" school, but degrees will remain unrecognized.
A private school operating in Italy and awarding degrees through different legitimate UK universities once admitted they were spending most of their revenue to fight the State in court over recognition of student status & degrees: so much for non-existing accreditation.
It is nice to know dodgy ECOLE SUPERIEURE ROBERT DE SORBON is this week a religious institution...nevermind American or from the Comoros...
It is nice to know dodgy ECOLE SUPERIEURE ROBERT DE SORBON is this week a religious institution.
As were Harvard and Yale.
Maybe you don't, but I still remember when ESRDS claimed to be accredited from the Comoros, and next paragraph from the USA. Maybe when they are through with the bottles of rum, they'll stick to one single opinion...
I think time would be better spent defending DETC or the few legitimate unaccredited schools than dodgy outfits, but what do I know?
Anyways buyers: do not trust anyone but contact relevant French authorities yourself to find out...after all, it's YOUR name & YOUR money.
I had posted another message here and elsewhere, but I removed them.
Why would I care?
If people are old enough to own a credit card, it means they are of legal age and can decide for themselves.
After all it's their problem, not mine.
I had posted another message here and elsewhere, but I removed them.
Why would I care?
You would care because discussion is good. Being absolutely right or wrong is a rare thing.
When I say positive things about ESRDS, I am not raving how wonderful it is. As a school, if posters can be believed, it has had more complaints and questions about its legitimacy made to French authorities than any school anywhere - and it still exists 5 years later. The sky hasn't fallen but Chicken Little hasn't shut up.
As has been stated, maybe it's functioning exactly as French authorities intended.
Look, if people have their mind set and will disregard evidence, it's their problem, not mine...
Want some?
http://web.archive.org/web/2005012318375...onedu.com/
L'Université francophone Robert de Sorbon est accréditée par l'académie Anjouan Union des Comores, membre de l'agence intergouvernentale de la francophonie.
Université Nord Américaine sans but lucratif observant les règles d'équivalences universitaires de la Loi du 17 janvier 2002 et des USA (USCIS)
So it is not just
a school with a similar but not identical name registered in the Comoros run by the same people.
Once used to support the idea of "accreditation", this no longer is:
http://www.sorbonedu.com/poitiers.jpg
The Académie told me it certifies nothing (see above).
I have no idea whether "it's functioning exactly as French authorities intended. ", but let's not mix apples with flat tires.
Over and out.
When I say positive things about ESRDS, I am not raving how wonderful it is. As a school, if posters can be believed, it has had more complaints and questions about its legitimacy made to French authorities than any school anywhere - and it still exists 5 years later. The sky hasn't fallen but Chicken Little hasn't shut up.
That is inexact.
Sorbon "école" is currently in operation...Sorbon "université" mysteriously disbanded some time ago according to Prade himself.
http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/200...9/NEWS0104
On its current Web site, Ecole Superieure Robert de Sorbon describes itself as a class of accredited institution that under French law can award degrees based on life experience. It says applicants pay a fee of about $75 and, if accepted, pay a tuition of about $750. A panel of scholars evaluates the applicant's work history and grants a degree 60 days later.-...-
Prade said Universite Robert de Sorbon no longer exists and that he and AUAP are not affiliated with it. Of Ecole Superieure Robert de Sorbon, he said, "It is an institution of higher learning."
It is thus inaccurate to state that "it still exists in spite of complaints".
No other than Sorbon middlemen now claim the name "université" is reserved in France for traditional institutions, which doesn't explain what happens now to the qualifications of former "université" graduates...nor does it explain how they got to use the name "université" and rave about its accreditation, if such use is restricted by law.
Maybe it is just what people need...but let's make sure people KNOW what it IS, so that they can decide if that is what they need.
Personally, I value my three Millard Fillmore doctorates and my 2 L.I.A.R bachelors highly...